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Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth II - kruddler - 09-09-2022
(09-09-2022, 07:26 AM)Lods link Wrote:Not for the next couple of months.I'm not suggesting literally right now, but during the transition phase that is going to have to occur.
I doubt you'll hear the politicians even mention it much this side of Christmas.
(Except perhaps Adam Brandt and co.)
It'll become a subject of discussion in the New Year though.
How long before all our currency has to get changed over etc etc.
I don't think Australia really need to be 'ruled' anymore and i think the republic push of the late 90's was half-ar$ed and tokenism, everyone has been quiet since then because everyone loves Lizzy. But from here on out things will be different.
We will be 'ruled' by 'Mr Tampon'....and it only gets worse from him.
Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth II - Lods - 09-09-2022
(09-09-2022, 08:35 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I'm not suggesting literally right now, but during the transition phase that is going to have to occur.
How long before all our currency has to get changed over etc etc.
I don't think Australia really need to be 'ruled' anymore and i think the republic push of the late 90's was half-ar$ed and tokenism, everyone has been quiet since then because everyone loves Lizzy. But from here on out things will be different.
We will be 'ruled' by 'Mr Tampon'....and it only gets worse from him.
Maybe so but I'm saying you probably won't get a receptive audience just at the moment amongst the uncommitted.
Strangely Charles is probably in tune with a lot of views expressed on here with regard to a range of things like climate change.
Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth II - Baggers - 09-09-2022
(09-09-2022, 08:08 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:The body is still warm and the "cancel culturalists" are out in full force. I find it staggering how quick some are to delete part of our history. I find it embarassing.
Too polite GTC Old Son... absolutely abhorrent and petty. They could take a leaf out of Lizzie's book and show a little class.
Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth II - PaulP - 09-09-2022
(09-09-2022, 08:42 AM)Lods link Wrote:Maybe so but I'm saying you probably won't get a receptive audience just at the moment amongst the uncommitted.
Strangely Charles is probably in tune with a lot of views expressed on here with regard to a range of things like climate change.
Yes, I think that's true. He is a fan of "New Urbanism", a movement started in the 1980's. Among its leading lights are two architect / urban planner brothers, Rob and Leon Krier. The basic idea is simple enough - small neighborhoods of genuine mixed use, where pretty much everything the average person needs is within walking distance - minimizing car use, improving the environment, minimizing energy consumption, creating better health outcomes for the residents. Poundbury near Dorchester is the first community designed on their principles. Construction is well advanced and planned for completion by 2025.
Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth II - Baggers - 09-09-2022
(09-09-2022, 09:07 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Yes, I think that's true. He is a fan of "New Urbanism", a movement started in the 1980's. Among its leading lights are two architect / urban planner brothers, Rob and Leon Krier. The basic idea is simple enough - small neighborhoods of genuine mixed use, where pretty much everything the average person needs is within walking distance - minimizing car use, improving the environment, minimizing energy consumption, creating better health outcomes for the residents. Poundbury near Dorchester is the first community designed on their principles. Construction is well advanced and planned for completion by 2025.
I find myself in two minds re Charles. I've watched docos that feature his very real commitment to progressive environmental change, as you sight here. Then I hear interviews with Diana's former 'man servant' or whatever the heck he is called, sighting the abysmal treatment of Diana, in effect just a vehicle for some heirs to the throne. Time will tell re Charles, meanwhile I'll go off and argue with myself about him as King.
Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth II - Thryleon - 09-09-2022
What could a 73 year possibly have to offer as king?
Completely out of step with modern society. Should bypass Charlie and go straight to William.
Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth II - crashlander - 09-09-2022
RIP Queen Elizabeth. She has been an impressive monarch who will be hard to replace.
I hope Charles III will be better than the 2 previous models. Charles I got his head removed through stupidity. Charles II may have been the 'Merry Monarch', but he was always a political stoolie for his French cousins. Not being able to provide an heir is also a black mark in a family business. That leaves Charles plenty of opportunity to make the third chance the success.
In April I discovered I was Queen Elizabeth's 6th or 7th cousin, I don't remember which. That was pretty weird: I don't consider myself very special at all. I'm an even closer relative to Princess Di, but ...
Just a piece of trivia.
Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth II - PaulP - 09-09-2022
(09-09-2022, 09:40 AM)Baggers link Wrote:I find myself in two minds re Charles. I've watched docos that feature his very real commitment to progressive environmental change, as you sight here. Then I hear interviews with Diana's former 'man servant' or whatever the heck he is called, sighting the abysmal treatment of Diana, in effect just a vehicle for some heirs to the throne. Time will tell re Charles, meanwhile I'll go off and argue with myself about him as King.
I'm fairly neutral on the monarchy. I'm not fussed if they retire tomorrow, or if they're around for another thousand years. There's certainly a part of the population that follows them with keen interest. They seem both uninteresting and inoffensive to me.
As to Charles and Di, I suspect there's only two people who really know who did what to who, and one of them is gone. There's plenty of scuttlebutt from supposed insiders. Who knows ? I never followed it much, but they both seemed pretty unhappy, and they won't the first nor the last couple who stuffed up their first marriage.
Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth II - kruddler - 09-09-2022
(09-09-2022, 08:42 AM)Lods link Wrote:Maybe so but I'm saying you probably won't get a receptive audience just at the moment amongst the uncommitted.
Strangely Charles is probably in tune with a lot of views expressed on here with regard to a range of things like climate change.
We'll agree to disagree on Charles.
Personal opinion on climate change are great, but what kind of impact can you expect him to have? 1000's of scientists around the world get shouted down by redneck flat-earthers and billionaires.
As for popular opinion and a receptive audience, i agree with you. Some might say 'too soon' and so be it.
People can take i whichever way they want to take it and if certain people want to take offence at that and be disgusted and/or embarrassed thats their choice.
Ultimately, it's me pointing out that the queen took us as far as we could hope for in every respect, but the only way is down from here. It'd be a sign of respect IMO if we ended our allegiance in line with her rule and went our separate ways from here.
It's like a champion retiring after winning a flag. Its all down hill from here, why do it to yourself?
Sometimes you need something like this to push you into the next phase or to give you the motivation to follow through with something you've been putting in the too hard basket.
Its like when i talk about changing the way the AFL fixturing and ladder works to make things better Some people take it for what it is. Other negative nancy's project their insecurities onto my thoughts without actually giving them the time of day and attempting to understand them. Berate me for 'ignoring history' and refusing change rather than seeing if change is something that can make things better.
Revisit this in a year and see if the rest of the room has caught up with me.
Re: RIP Queen Elizabeth II - DJC - 09-09-2022
(09-09-2022, 09:56 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:What could a 73 year possibly have to offer as king?
Completely out of step with modern society. Should bypass Charlie and go straight to William.
But that’s not how a hereditary monarchy works. It’s Charles or nothing.
Interestingly, the first bretwaldas (pre-eminent kings of what became England) were chosen by an assembly or parliament. Hereditary monarchy is not only anachronistic, it’s a product of despotic tyrants trying to secure their offsprings’ future.
Charles is probably more in step with modern society than Will but both are well behind Harry. He seems to understand that the monarchy has no place in 21st century society, other than bringing in tourist $$s.