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Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-31-2022
(07-31-2022, 03:20 AM)LP link Wrote:In balance, you can't talk about the SoJ positives and ignore the negatives, late in the game SoJ's direct opponent was twice involved pressing forward in chains of play that resulted in the Crow's goaling.I'll take JSOS's attitude pride in the jumper and cop a few errors every now and then, he would have been more useful rucking than Pittonet as Jack could have given us another midfielder.
I found it a strange game to drop him given Adelaide run one genuine ruckman only and part time forwards like Himmelberg and Thilthorpe as the 2nd rucks, conditions suited Jack being a slow track where contests were the name of the game and you know Jack will give that everytime.
This was Voss from Brisbane coaching Imo.....looked paralysed in the box when Adelaide were all over us, couldnt fathom what to do about the Keays/Saad tagging debacle and needs to get more inventive to change the course of the game IMO when we are struggling. Granted he lost some troops but I'm not sure how he thought having extra talls in the team was going to work and the triple threat of Charlie, TDK and Harry down forward wasnt what you want on a slow weather affected ground.
Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - kruddler - 07-31-2022
(07-31-2022, 04:08 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I'll take JSOS's attitude pride in the jumper and cop a few errors every now and then, he would have been more useful rucking than Pittonet as Jack could have given us another midfielder.Limited troops and limited options. A hangover of having too many talls.
I found it a strange game to drop him given Adelaide run one genuine ruckman only and part time forwards like Himmelberg and Thilthorpe as the 2nd rucks, conditions suited Jack being a slow track where contests were the name of the game and you know Jack will give that everytime.
This was Voss from Brisbane coaching Imo.....looked paralysed in the box when Adelaide were all over us, couldnt fathom what to do about the Keays/Saad tagging debacle and needs to get more inventive to change the course of the game IMO when we are struggling. Granted he lost some troops but I'm not sure how he thought having extra talls in the team was going to work and the triple threat of Charlie, TDK and Harry down forward wasnt what you want on a slow weather affected ground.
Jack can play anywhere, but he can't play on many....thats the problem.
For team balance, i'd drop TDK and play Pittonet and Jack this week.....and if that doesn't work, try TDK and Jack again the next week.
Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - LP - 07-31-2022
(07-31-2022, 04:31 AM)kruddler date Wrote:Limited troops and limited options. A hangover of having too many talls.I think they'll continue to play Pitto because they have to play him, he needs games under his belt.
Jack can play anywhere, but he can't play on many....thats the problem.
For team balance, i'd drop TDK and play Pittonet and Jack this week.....and if that doesn't work, try TDK and Jack again the next week.
Marchbank might come in this week, and will add to our mobility, we can't be left with SoJ trying to stand Himmelberg type players it will destroy our setup and wreck his career.
Pitto looked underdone, TDK looked sore, and I agree the weather didn't help but you can't travel with 42.
The loss of Durdin is going to hurt, we are back in the same place we were with Owies missing for a few weeks. If Hewett comes in we might be able to get Fisher spending more time forward, and that could help.
This might sound odd, but I'd consider bringing Dow in to replace Motlop, if the MC accept that Motlop has to be carried then it may as well carry Dow who at least brings a stronger physical presence and can function as a genuine midfield option. I realise Dow won't be a step up in defensive run, but with Hewett questionable, Kennedy concussed and Fisher needed elsewhere to me it's either now or never for Dow.
I think we need someone with a bit more pace as sub, SoJ isn't a bad choice if the cards fall the right way, but last night they didn't and it made things worse on the ground. Maybe Kemp is the right sub choice, despite my reservations about him as a defender he is more effective in D50 than SoJ, and can still play forward or even a wing or mid rotation, and Kemp's got most of our medium / talls covered for pace.
Did we miss a trick last night not givinng SoJ a mid rotation as a chop out for Cripps, could Cripps have rested forward and let SoJ have a run in combination with Pitto and TDK?
Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-31-2022
(07-31-2022, 04:31 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Limited troops and limited options. A hangover of having too many talls.Dont mind the ruck combo mix and match idea, do we have the issue now where TDK and Pittonet may both play their best footy as first ruckman? and while TDK has the skills to play forward can you play three real tall forwards every week and have Jack in the team too.
Jack can play anywhere, but he can't play on many....thats the problem.
For team balance, i'd drop TDK and play Pittonet and Jack this week.....and if that doesn't work, try TDK and Jack again the next week.
Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - madbluboy - 07-31-2022
(07-31-2022, 03:20 AM)LP link Wrote:In balance, you can't talk about the SoJ positives and ignore the negatives, late in the game SoJ's direct opponent was twice involved pressing forward in chains of play that resulted in the Crow's goaling.
You were wrong, move on.
Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - kruddler - 07-31-2022
(07-31-2022, 06:18 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Dont mind the ruck combo mix and match idea, do we have the issue now where TDK and Pittonet may both play their best footy as first ruckman? and while TDK has the skills to play forward can you play three real tall forwards every week and have Jack in the team too.Yes. Neither Pitto or TDK are proficient enough to play anywhere else other than first ruck. Carrying both is hurting our running game.
If Jack was a little quicker/more agile, we may be more likely to cover for him with the other 2.
Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - Baggers - 07-31-2022
(07-31-2022, 07:39 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Yes. Neither Pitto or TDK are proficient enough to play anywhere else other than first ruck. Carrying both is hurting our running game.
If Jack was a little quicker/more agile, we may be more likely to cover for him with the other 2.
I wonder if TDK might be worth trying in defense...
Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - bratblue - 07-31-2022
(07-31-2022, 09:39 AM)Baggers link Wrote:I wonder if TDK might be worth trying in defense...
Get some lessons off his brother.
Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - LP - 07-31-2022
(07-31-2022, 06:20 AM)madbluboy date Wrote:You were wrong, move on.Himmelberg happened.
Re: Jack Silvagni - The Ultimate Medical Sub - LP - 07-31-2022
(07-31-2022, 07:39 AM)kruddler date Wrote:Yes. Neither Pitto or TDK are proficient enough to play anywhere else other than first ruck. Carrying both is hurting our running game.I think it's just one tall too many in the conditions, it sort of worked earlier in the season when BigH was on a roll, roving stoppages like an onballer, yet we still had some very close escapes that SoJ boosters are happier to ignore us falling across the line after being almost overrun.
If Jack was a little quicker/more agile, we may be more likely to cover for him with the other 2.
But that was also in suitable conditions, a dry fast MCG. Last game was greasy conditions not suited to carrying so many talls, and the Crows were able to dictate control over the whole playing surface, our MC need to be smarter and not formulaic, leave the formulaic emotive rubbish to the fans.