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Re: AFL Rd 4 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Gold Coast - capcom - 04-10-2022
Hard to hide your deficiencies sometimes. Woeful performance really
Re: AFL Rd 4 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Gold Coast - cookie2 - 04-10-2022
We had the prelude to this last week so I was not entirely surprised. Have the players already grown tired of Vossy? A disgraceful effort imo.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Gold Coast - JonDorotich - 04-10-2022
(04-10-2022, 09:12 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Won't be winning many games without a dual ruck setup, Pittonet is our Nankervis, not pretty but very competitive and a strong presence.
Young is handy but McDonald for me is a safer bet down back.
Stocker has to come in to give us another smaller defender who defends..
Williams, Newman, Saad, Docherty, Boyd all rebound well but it's one too many rebounders for me..
Cerra needs to contest better, pulled up short with the oncoming player think it was Weller and it's not good enough.
Martin and Fisher got junk time kicks but we're missing most of the game, Setterfield also very quiet, O'Brien was reasonable. Plowman...??. Never thought I'd say this but McGovern's absence has hurt our structure..
Agreed. We desperately missed McGovern’s closing speed and distribution.
Kennedy was also woeful today and if he wants to be taken seriously his best and worst can’t be that far apart.
Our work rate and positioning on transition wasn’t up to it again, so Voss has got his work cut out.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Gold Coast - crashlander - 04-10-2022
(04-10-2022, 09:12 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Won't be winning many games without a dual ruck setup, Pittonet is our Nankervis, not pretty but very competitive and a strong presence.Today may have been a disaster, but it wasn't the end of the world. It showed that we haven't got a plan B as yet, and plan A went out the window when Pittonet didn't come up. Witts' dominance was the difference.
Young is handy but McDonald for me is a safer bet down back.
Stocker has to come in to give us another smaller defender who defends..
Williams, Newman, Saad, Docherty, Boyd all rebound well but it's one too many rebounders for me..
Cerra needs to contest better, pulled up short with the oncoming player think it was Weller and it's not good enough.
Martin and Fisher got junk time kicks but we're missing most of the game, Setterfield also very quiet, O'Brien was reasonable. Plowman...??. Never thought I'd say this but McGovern's absence has hurt our structure..
[1] Pittonet to return transforms our midfield. With Lycett suspect with a shoulder, this week's major weakness could become our weapon.
[2] Cripps going off hurt us badly. He will be missed, but it does give Dow a chance, assuming he is fully fit.
[3] Boyd probably goes out for Stocker, who had a solid game today. Stocker has advantages, especially as he can play different roles.
[4] If Setters gets dropped, then he will be a little unlucky. He did have 20 possessions. However, his lack of intensity could be his downfall. Certainly both Newnes and Cottrell put their hands up to replace him. For that matter, Lochie O'Brien had it considerably less than Setters did.
[5] Fisher would be one to look at. He hasn't really hit his straps as yet. With Durdin available, as well as Motlop, Carroll and Williamson, there is pressure on him. Only 1 tackles today and 1 clearance. Not enough!
[6] Young could make way for Oscar Mac, but that is no certainty.
[7] I'm worried about Plowman at the moment. He doesn't seem to be anywhere near his best. He doesn't look fully fit, to be honest. I'd like to see him get some form and fitness in the VFL, but I'm not sure that is going to happen.
[8] Jack Martin continues to disappoint me. He simply doesn't do enough often enough. If Honey were fit, I'd be spelling Martin. However, Honey isn't there yet.
[8] Fogarty has to go. Too easy to out-body and doesn't do enough.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Gold Coast - Micky0 - 04-10-2022
We never play well against GC and especially in there. Why? I don’t know, but I am one of few obviously that knew this was not a given win. How bad they were also didn’t really surprise after last weeks limp to the line.
Still think things have changed for the better overall and not bad to have the lesser talents displayed brightly, some just never work hard enough.
Onto next week. Assume we will win convincingly, seemed after Daddy Cripps went off we went to pieces, even Weiters was shit today.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Gold Coast - Slowhand - 04-10-2022
Just watched the Presser.
Vossy spent 7 minutes saying nothing....
Should run for the National Party
Crippa hopefully not to bad so you just know he will be out for 4-6 weeks.
Apparently he has a a bad neck. Carrying 22 players for the last 3 weeks.. O0
Re: AFL Rd 4 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Gold Coast - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-10-2022
(04-10-2022, 09:25 AM)Professer E link Wrote:I don't know how Fisher and Martin get games at the moment EB. Martin just doesn't do enough for mind, promised much, delivered very little. Don't know why he always gets rushed back, needs to start earning his placeWas a fan of Fisher Prof but he isn't doing enough and Martins form since arrival has mirrored his time at Gold Coast.
Either injured or playing the odd good game but too many poor ones in-between.
Like his talent but he just doesn't deliver bang for buck..if Josh Honey was available I would have him in for Martin.
Dow deserves an opportunity with Cripps now injured and Stocker in for Boyd who is as trier but not a real close checking enough defender.
Fisher and Setterfield both could be replaced also by a returning Durdin and Cottrell who has shown some form in the Magoo's.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Gold Coast - crashlander - 04-10-2022
(04-10-2022, 09:48 AM)JonDorotich link Wrote:Agreed. We desperately missed McGovern’s closing speed and distribution.Indeed. McGovern adds that something that our defence often lacks; the ability to do the unexpected. His closing speed and kicking depth, and his ability to attack as well as defend, makes him someone we really miss when he's not there.
Funny, how things can change.
(04-10-2022, 09:48 AM)JonDorotich link Wrote:Kennedy was also woeful today and if he wants to be taken seriously his best and worst can’t be that far apart.Indeed, this was a game where Kennedy needed to stand up and he didn't. That hurts him big time.
(04-10-2022, 09:48 AM)JonDorotich link Wrote:Our work rate and positioning on transition wasn’t up to it again, so Voss has got his work cut out.Can't argue with that either. We do need a plan B, and probably a Plan C. Plan A is pretty good, but it is dependent on midfield dominance, which we didn't have today.
I hate talking about Kane Cornes, as he is usually an idiot. However, he finally came out with something that almost gave him credibility: tagging. We don't do enough of it. We haven't for a long time. Opposition mids used to prepare for a lean day when they played us: they got tagged into oblivion. But we haven't done this job well for many years. Ed Curnow was once a master, but our last two coaches didn't use him that way. This is an area we need to explore badly!
Re: AFL Rd 4 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Gold Coast - Gointocarlton - 04-10-2022
Welcome to Carlton Vossy. That was bound to happen. Not gonna bother singling out anyone as they were all pretty bad IMO (for the amount I saw, I turned it off just after half time). We'll give Port the lift they so badly need next week, nothing surer.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Gold Coast - Professer E - 04-10-2022
Too many structural issues today, was never confident on this one.