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Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 - PaulP - 10-08-2021
Why would Cuningham be a replacement for Ed and/or Kennedy ? I see him more as a pacy, outside finisher than an inside grunt mid.
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 - LP - 10-08-2021
(10-08-2021, 02:42 AM)PaulP date Wrote:Why would Cuningham be a replacement for Ed and/or Kennedy ? I see him more as a pacy, outside finisher than an inside grunt mid.If you already have Cripps, Walsh, Cerra and perhaps even Hewett in the grunt midfield mix rotations, you need complimentary pace in there. Starting with too many slows in the mid at once dooms you to losing momentum. So we need to find a way to keep some pace in their along side players like Cripps and Walsh.
Kennedy and Ed might be better as rotations with Cripps and Walsh, not in rotations with the running types that surround them.
How you then do that, off the bench or out of the FP or BP is up to the coaches to manage, but at least commit to being competitive or holding ground in all rotations so the momentum doesn't swing violently.
While I was all for Teague's game style, one of my big criticisms of his setup last year was that too often we ended up with all slows or all skinnies in the midfield. It can't happen, it makes it too easy for opponents to counter our tactics.
Some examples, Nic Nat or Blicavs ruck against De Koning, both are heavier and stronger than De Koning. We have Cripps, Walsh and Ed at ground level around De Koning. Nic Nat or Blicavs can win the ruck and still beat Cripps, Walsh and Ed to the footy over 10m! Ignoring that we won, in the 3rd Qtr against Freo Sean Darcy cleans up our ruck and takes out Fogarty and Dow, leaving Freo with the numbers, Mundy, Brayshaw and Cerra get an armchair ride basically against Cripps on his lonesome! All this comes because of an imbalance in the rotations. Getting it right is critical, they have to be on the park, in the right spot, at the right time!
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 - PaulP - 10-08-2021
(10-08-2021, 02:52 AM)LP link Wrote:If you already have Cripps, Walsh, Cerra and perhaps even Hewett in the grunt midfield mix, you need pace in there. Starting with too many slows in the mid at once dooms you to losing momentum. So we need to find a way to keep some pace in their along side players like Cripps and Walsh.
Kennedy and Ed might be better as rotations with Cripps and Walsh, not in rotations with the running types that surround them.
How you then do that, off the bench or out of the FP or BP is up to the coaches to manage, but at least commit to being competitive or holding ground in all rotations so the momentum doesn't swing violently.
Right, but that's more about list balance, as opposed to three players competing for the same spot ? Clearly you need a mix of players who defend and those who attack, a mix of talls and smalls, a mix of inside and outside etc. ? IMO, Kennedy and Ed would be kept out of the side by Cripps, Hewett etc., and not Cuningham.
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 - jeza - 10-08-2021
(10-08-2021, 02:52 AM)LP link Wrote:If you already have Cripps, Walsh, Cerra and perhaps even Hewett in the grunt midfield mix rotations, you need complimentary pace in there. Starting with too many slows in the mid at once dooms you to losing momentum. So we need to find a way to keep some pace in their along side players like Cripps and Walsh.
Kennedy and Ed might be better as rotations with Cripps and Walsh, not in rotations with the running types that surround them.
How you then do that, off the bench or out of the FP or BP is up to the coaches to manage, but at least commit to being competitive or holding ground in all rotations so the momentum doesn't swing violently.
While I was all for Teague's game style, one of my big criticisms of his setup last year was that too often we ended up with all slows or all skinnies in the midfield. It can't happen, it makes it too easy for opponents to counter our tactics.
Some examples, Nic Nat or Blicavs ruck against De Koning, both are heavier and stronger than De Koning. We have Cripps, Walsh and Ed at ground level around De Koning. Nic Nat or Blicavs can win the ruck and still beat Cripps, Walsh and Ed to the footy over 10m!
The midfield will be rotated no doubt. But we have a LOT of slow midfielders. They will all need to be given time in there. I just hope Stocker is given plenty of time in the midfield.
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 - LP - 10-08-2021
(10-08-2021, 02:58 AM)PaulP date Wrote:Right, but that's more about list balance, as opposed to three players competing for the same spot ? Clearly you need a mix of players who defend and those who attack, a mix of talls and smalls, a mix of inside and outside etc. ? IMO, Kennedy and Ed would be kept out of the side by Cripps, Hewett etc., and not Cuningham.I disagree, and I think in the weeks after Barker got kyboshed we saw a positive change under Power's guidance, things were far better balanced even if it was left up to some more erratic players in Dow and Kennedy.
I think based on what we saw early last season, if he is ready to go, Cunnigham will be comfortably in the side and rightly so, and he'll be in there at the expense of a slower Mid, not at the expense of a zippy SF or HB!
Anyway, I realise my position on this is based on some list philosophy that some will find uncomfortable, as we have already debated.
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 - Professer E - 10-08-2021
Cunningham will need to be eased back in after a knee, can't see him impacting early in the year, but we need his pace and spread.
Newnes, Newman, Setterfield, Ed... Those types are going to get phased out as the season progesses in favour of younger, quicker options IMO
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 - crashlander - 10-08-2021
(10-08-2021, 01:50 AM)jeza link Wrote:I'd go with...This is a bit more realistic than the team printed above.
B Nic Newman Jacob Weitering Zac Williams
HB Mitch McGovern Liam Jones Adam Saad
M George Hewett Patrick Cripps Zac Fisher
HF Josh Honey Charlie Curnow Jack Martin
F Tom De Koning Harry McKay Jack Silvagni
R Marc Pittonet Adam Cerra Sam Walsh
I Liam Stocker Matthew Kennedy Ed Curnow
Paddy Dow
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 - tonyo - 10-08-2021
(10-08-2021, 01:50 AM)jeza link Wrote:I'd go with...I would have Stocker, Kennedy, Dow and even Setterfield ahead of Fisher in the mids. Fisher needs to develop further as a pressure half-forward if he wants regular game time.
B Nic Newman Jacob Weitering Zac Williams
HB Mitch McGovern Liam Jones Adam Saad
M George Hewett Patrick Cripps Zac Fisher
HF Josh Honey Charlie Curnow Jack Martin
F Tom De Koning Harry McKay Jack Silvagni
R Marc Pittonet Adam Cerra Sam Walsh
I Liam Stocker Matthew Kennedy Ed Curnow
Paddy Dow
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 - kruddler - 10-08-2021
FB: Stocker - Weitering - Marchbank** **Plowman plays if Marchbank is not up to it.
HB: Newman - Jones - Saad
C: Williams - Cripps - Walsh
HF: Martin - C. Curnow - Cuningham
FF: Silvagni - McKay - Fisher
R: Pittonet - Cerra - Dow
INT: Young - Hewitt - Kennedy - TDK
Sub: E. Curnow
EMG: Plowman - Honey - Owies
Next in line....
McGovern - Kemp - Setterfield
Newnes - LOB - Fogarty
Williamson - Durdin - Cottrell
...
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 - ElwoodBlues1 - 10-08-2021
(10-08-2021, 05:00 AM)tonyo link Wrote:I would have Stocker, Kennedy, Dow and even Setterfield ahead of Fisher in the mids. Fisher needs to develop further as a pressure half-forward if he wants regular game time.Fisher isnt a natural forward, he made his name as a U18 midfielder and was recruited on that basis, I find it odd we try and turn players into something else and ignore recruiting specialists for specialist areas.
I think Honey and Durdin are natural small forwards and need the time in those positions to develop. I like Fisher and think he is a good footballer but I wonder in the modern game which requires mids with speed and power in the main, other than the wing where can you play him.