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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn - laj - 05-22-2021
(05-22-2021, 06:43 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Take the 4 points but the game was substandard and we lived off a few of the Hawks kids mistakes like CJ giving us the ball back everytime he got it.
Its hard to think back to a worse Hawthorn team than this one running around today.
Walsh was our best by a long way and I though Wingard the same for the Hawks.
Hard to find too many other 4 quarter players, Mitchell got plenty of ball but did nothing with it, Omeara and Cripps seem to be a nil all draw and the rucks were also fairly even. Liked TDK's game in parts and it was handy to have him back, Eddie was dangerous as was Bruest and I thought Saad was one of our best even though he had a couple of goals kicked on him.
Williams got a few kicks but was just so so IMO, probably Weitering was our best player after Walsh and both him and Jones controlled their positions not that they had much opposition, didnt see much of either Lewis or Kositchke.
Wouldnt want to play like that vs the Swans though and I reckon Teague would be happy with a win but not so happy about how we won it...
Seemed too happy to simply go along and play at their standard.
As a Carlton supporter won't knock a win though, even ugly.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-22-2021
(05-22-2021, 06:48 AM)laj link Wrote:Seemed too happy to simply go along and play at their standard.Their standard is woeful, talk about ugly scrappy footy, the Hawks were no chance to beat us but we were a good chance
As a Carlton supporter won't knock a win though, even ugly.
of beating ourselves. When goals like that one of Howe's went through on half time you do think its possible we could lose to these duds but luckily we played a more decent brand in the last and they degenerated into more of a rabble than they were.
Cant see Clarko staying the journey till the Hawks turn it around, they need about three decent drafts to inject some talent into that team..
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn - 31Tommys_barber - 05-22-2021
Clarkson has gone into scrappy game mode through necessity, crappy to watch but gives you a chance to pinch it at the end. We out scrapped them in the end. Very impressed by Stocker hard tough and even a little bit of arrogance better watching him running around than a few pea heart’s lately. I’d also keep Owies going is a reliable kick so doesn’t need many but chips in and even ran backwards into a pack in that last qtr
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn - PaulP - 05-22-2021
One of those game where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, but not in a good way. Foot on the pedal, foot off the pedal, brief glimpses of nice skills, but mostly Shemp, Larry and Mo. And somehow, 2 hours later, we emerge with a win. There was nothing particularly convincing about any of that, but I guess in today's race to the bottom, Hawthorn won.
I don't know why, but whenever we play an inferior team, we always seem to let them drag us down to their level of incompetence. You can clearly see the Clarkson method through Bolton. Damage limitation has its place in football, and sometimes you simply have to go there. But listening on the wireless, it I was at the game I'd be tempted to ask for my money back.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn - Micky0 - 05-22-2021
We just simply have to have players step up. Take responsibility for their errors, improve, take it on - grab a game by the scruff and improve improve improve
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn - Gointocarlton - 05-22-2021
(05-22-2021, 08:07 AM)PaulP link Wrote:One of those game where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, but not in a good way. Foot on the pedal, foot off the pedal, brief glimpses of nice skills, but mostly Shemp, Larry and Mo. And somehow, 2 hours later, we emerge with a win. There was nothing particularly convincing about any of that, but I guess in today's race to the bottom, Hawthorn won.I wouldn't say money back, it was pretty quick, up and back but hard at it the same time. Players were knackered at the end, Sammy W just keeps finding a way to run his guts out under duress, half boy, half machine. Yes skills were ordinary at times, a lot of pressure from both sides.
I don't know why, but whenever we play an inferior team, we always seem to let them drag us down to their level of incompetence. You can clearly see the Clarkson method through Bolton. Damage limitation has its place in football, and sometimes you simply have to go there. But listening on the wireless, it I was at the game I'd be tempted to ask for my money back.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn - Baggers - 05-22-2021
To be honest, I don't get the negativity.
Clarkson, smarting from last week's loss and desperate for a win, got his inexperienced boys to attack us at our weakness... fierce pressure, scrappy footy... but we absorbed it and came away with a win.
Had the Dawks bought that ferocity to last week's game against the Kangabies, they'd have won.
To me, that win had character and heart - no nice. We were fierce at the contest, limited them to 9 goals, and yes, there were mutual howlers but that happens in dour games.
Buoyed by Williams, Stocker, TDK and Saad.
H has a quiet day but still slots 2 critical goals.
Doc looks much better on a wing (and Williams much, much better off half back).
A number of other important positives as well: Owies, SOJ, Eddie turning back the clock, Murph's composure in the 3rd when needed and the relentless endeavour from Ed C.
Grinding out a win in a game like that can do much for confidence and morale... now to back it up.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn - PaulP - 05-22-2021
(05-22-2021, 08:38 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I wouldn't say money back, it was pretty quick, up and back but hard at it the same time. Players were knackered at the end, Sammy W just keeps finding a way to run his guts out under duress, half boy, half machine.
Yes, my "money back" partly tongue in cheek. I'd always happily pay if we win.
No Walsh and Weitering, and we'd be stuffed IMO. Walsh must be leading or very close to leading the Brownlow at this point, and maybe the MVP as well. A jet and a gun all rolled into one. I'm starting to have nightmares about him getting serious injury or running himself into the ground and being washed up by 25.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn - Gointocarlton - 05-22-2021
(05-22-2021, 08:39 AM)Baggers link Wrote:To be honest, I don't get the negativity.Agree with all the that, the contest between Plow and JOM was as fierce as I have seen in a very long time, both players didn't back down one iota.
Clarkson, smarting from last week's loss and desperate for a win, got his inexperienced boys to attack us at our weakness... fierce pressure, scrappy footy... but we absorbed it and came away with a win.
Had the Dawks bought that ferocity to last week's game against the Kangabies, they'd have won.
To me, that win had character and heart - no nice. We were fierce at the contest, limited them to 9 goals, and yes, there were mutual howlers but that happens in dour games.
Buoyed by Williams, Stocker, TDK and Saad.
H has a quiet day but still slots 2 critical goals.
Doc looks much better on a wing (and Williams much, much better off half back).
A number of other important positives as well: Owies, SOJ, Eddie turning back the clock, Murph's composure in the 3rd when needed and the relentless endeavour from Ed C.
Grinding out a win in a game like that can do much for confidence and morale... now to back it up.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 10: Carlton vs Hawthorn - laj - 05-22-2021
From a poster on another forum.
"Just settling in to watch the replay.
Happened to be on the same flight as the Port Adelaide players/coaches from Adelaide to Melbourne today. When we took off we were 4 goals up. Landed and it was only a few points late in the third.
Saw Connor Rozee check the scores of our match the minute the plane landed and he turned to Alir Alir and said 'Carlton choking as usual'.
So there it is - from the horses mouth what we're thought of amongst the playing ranks."