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Re: Two things after Round 2 - ElwoodBlues1 - 03-26-2021

(03-26-2021, 03:53 AM)Professer E link Wrote:1.  Not having a junior ruck project player was a massive list fail.  I wonder where Henry Walsh is at?
2.  Williams aside,  continue to be bitterly disappointed in the ex GWS recruits - they are a significant chunk of the list and contributing F all.
3.  Coaching and development staff remain clueless. I think this is close to our biggest issue.
Wasnt sold on Williams either...started well but 20 possies @50%DE isnt what we paid for .
Cut him some slack in his first game for sure but I think he has probably realized playing in the middle with us is going to be a lot tougher than cruising half back for GWS.

Re: Two things after Round 2 - ElwoodBlues1 - 03-26-2021

(03-26-2021, 04:12 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Just on rucks.  No playing list wants a projrct ruckman with current list sizes.  They take years to come on, and then get massive contracts.  The kids can't compete against mature agers properly, and all that leads to is players leaving as free agents after development.

Better off trading in a specialist who's got a couple years left and is being superceded by a younger better version, or moneyballing a state leaguer who's 25 and battle hardened just needs another shot. 
Tick for the Bulldogs with Stef Martin.......

Re: Two things after Round 2 - cookie2 - 03-26-2021

(03-26-2021, 04:24 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Tick for the Bulldogs with Stef Martin.......

And he got very good clearance stats for the Dogs.

Re: Two things after Round 2 - Gointocarlton - 03-26-2021

1. Nothing has changed, 9 years of 0-2.
2. Liddle and co taking the knives out the sheaths as we speak.

Re: Two things after Round 2 - kruddler - 03-26-2021

1. Football is a game of chess. We have all the right pieces, just not using them to their maximum advantage. This includes players in the 2's or players on the injury list.
2. Said it in the in-game, but Saad is worth every bit of the pick 8 we gave up for him. It was a game that had mistakes, but his 'road runner' ability to get it and take off and dodge obstacles along the way is something only a handful of players in the game can do.

Re: Two things after Round 2 - ElwoodBlues1 - 03-26-2021

(03-26-2021, 06:38 AM)kruddler link Wrote:1. Football is a game of chess. We have all the right pieces, just not using them to their maximum advantage. This includes players in the 2's or players on the injury list.
2. Said it in the in-game, but Saad is worth every bit of the pick 8 we gave up for him. It was a game that had mistakes, but his 'road runner' ability to get it and take off and dodge obstacles along the way is something only a handful of players in the game can do.
Saad is very good but we lack a few pieces IMO....Collingwood are an average mid pack team and we couldnt handle what they served up. You look at their team and apart from Grundy, DeGoey and Moore its workman like at best.
Had a drop off in talent with Treloar, Stephenson and Philips all departing in a chaotic trade period and a coach who is in turmoil off the field and we still never looked like it. You add Eddie losing his job, racism issues and they had a few excuses to bail this game and under perform but it was us who keeled over like we had all those problems.
I think part of our problem is thinking we do have the pieces... a lot of unproven pieces IMHO. Saad being an exception and as you say worth pick 8 and earning his money.


Re: Two things after Round 2 - Thryleon - 03-26-2021

(03-26-2021, 07:45 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Saad is very good but we lack a few pieces IMO....Collingwood are an average mid pack team and we couldnt handle what they served up. You look at their team and apart from Grundy, DeGoey and Moore its workman like at best.
Had a drop off in talent with Treloar, Stephenson and Philips all departing in a chaotic trade period and a coach who is in turmoil off the field and we still never looked like it. You add Eddie losing his job, racism issues and they had a few excuses to bail this game and under perform but it was us who keeled over like we had all those problems.
I think part of our problem is thinking we do have the pieces... a lot of unproven pieces IMHO. Saad being an exception and as you say worth pick 8 and earning his money.

We are on our 4th senior coach the whole time Buckley has been coaching Collingwood.

I wonder why they're better drilled.....

Ratten, into malthouse into barker, into Bolton into Teague. 

If you add barker's acting role its 5 senior coaches.

Thats not to absolve Teague.  What id wager though if you rank the clubs in order by longest serving coaches, off the top of my head you'll rank them roughly in order of success over the last 20 years.

There's something in continuity.  There's no coincidence that the smoothest transition of coach we've seen recently has been at Geelong and they just played in yet another grand final.

Re: Two things after Round 2 - capcom - 03-26-2021

To be real about it, we made a massive mistake in flicking Ratten and signing on with an author of no particular note. 

Re: Two things after Round 2 - Gointocarlton - 03-26-2021

(03-26-2021, 10:13 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:We are on our 4th senior coach the whole time Buckley has been coaching Collingwood.

I wonder why they're better drilled.....

Ratten, into malthouse into barker, into Bolton into Teague. 

If you add barker's acting role its 5 senior coaches.

Thats not to absolve Teague.  What id wager though if you rank the clubs in order by longest serving coaches, off the top of my head you'll rank them roughly in order of success over the last 20 years.

There's something in continuity.  There's no coincidence that the smoothest transition of coach we've seen recently has been at Geelong and they just played in yet another grand final.
Last 20 years
        Premierships   No Of Coaches.  Years As FInalist
Haw 4                      2                                11
Rich 3                      4                                8
Geel 3                      2                                15
Bris 3                      4                                7
WC 2                      3                                14
Syd 2                      3                                16
PA 1                      4                                10
WB 1                      5                                8
Coll 1                      2                                13

Ade 0                      6                                12
Car 0                      6                                5
Ess 0                      6                                9
Freo 0                      5                                7
GC 0                      4                                0
GWS 0                      2                                4
Melb 0                      5                                5
NM 0                      5                                8
StK 0                      6                                8

Re: Two things after Round 2 - Lods - 03-26-2021


A couple of those clubs have stuck with their coaches through a rough period and come out the other side.
If you're a successful club you won't go through coaches at a great rate.
If you're an unsuccessful club the changes will occur more often.

Are clubs successful because they stick with a coach or is it because they're successful they don't swing the changes so often?
It's a bit of a 'chicken and egg' argument.