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Re: The Climate Thread - PaulP - 11-19-2020
I think all of us need to address this issue in the deepest, most profound way possible. Individuals, governments, corporations. There's a circularity in the use and abuse of resources on the planet that implicates all of us. The Chinese don't spew out crap from their factories and the South Americans don't burn the forest just because they're bored. Until they and us stop chasing endless consumerism, cheapest prices, highest profits, unsustainable agricultural practices etc. we will go nowhere.
On an individual scale, places like China will continue to produce junk we don't need because there is a demand for it. Despite being difficult to deal with, companies will continue to invest in China mainly because labor is cheap and well educated, and unions, environmental controls etc. are minimal or non existent. Profits first, then daylight, then everything else.
On a corporate scale, Steven Donziger says hi.
Re: The Climate Thread - PaulP - 11-19-2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDpNcJcVqxA
Re: The Climate Thread - LP - 11-19-2020
As an aside to the wider climate issues, I've been to Sidoarjo and witnessed the the effects of the Gempol disaster first hand, I was one of the few times in my life I was left speechless!
Re: The Climate Thread - Baggers - 11-19-2020
(11-19-2020, 03:57 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I think all of us need to address this issue in the deepest, most profound way possible. Individuals, governments, corporations. There's a circularity in the use and abuse of resources on the planet that implicates all of us. The Chinese don't spew out crap from their factories and the South Americans don't burn the forest just because they're bored. Until they and us stop chasing endless consumerism, cheapest prices, highest profits, unsustainable agricultural practices etc. we will go nowhere. Correction, Pauly, without meaningful change we will be going somewhere... it's called, oblivion.
On an individual scale, places like China will continue to produce junk we don't need because there is a demand for it. Despite being difficult to deal with, companies will continue to invest in China mainly because labor is cheap and well educated, and unions, environmental controls etc. are minimal or non existent. Profits first, then daylight, then everything else.
On a corporate scale, Steven Donziger says hi.
Re: The Climate Thread - ElwoodBlues1 - 11-19-2020
(11-18-2020, 12:35 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:I'll believe we are serious when we start looking at nuclear.Nuclear is the elephant in the room....Solar generated power fed back into the grid causes regulation problems for power distributors and often leads to power distributors switching off feeds. Its not reliable and wind turbines are not really clean or green either and their output is trivial. You take a lot of land , kill a lot of animals, sink concrete into the ground for foundations and mine land looking for rare earth magnets for the turbines. The housings are steel with fibreglass blades in the main, its as about as green as the exhaust from my old HG Holden. You need way more material to make a wind turbine than a gas turbine.....
The only issue with nuclear is if it goes Chernobyl.
They have even discovered ways to recycle the waste into batteries.
The way forward is Gas and Nuclear and thats where the money needs to be put to work.....
Re: The Climate Thread - cookie2 - 11-19-2020
Was reading recently that rooftop solar feeding into the grid can now cause instability problems because of the sheer volume of it. Apparently the generation companies often have to just turn it off.
Re: The Climate Thread - Baggers - 11-19-2020
(11-19-2020, 04:20 AM)PaulP link Wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDpNcJcVqxA
What a horror story. The conduct of Exon/Chevron is beyond reprehensible... then enter the satanic figure of Judge Kaplan. If there isn't a screenplay being written right now about this entire vulgar farce I'll chew off my own legs. The legal groundswell against Kaplan is huge and growing, he'll die disgraced and an example of bench corruption to the max.
Re: The Climate Thread - PaulP - 11-19-2020
(11-19-2020, 07:31 AM)Baggers link Wrote:What a horror story. The conduct of Exon/Chevron is beyond reprehensible... then enter the satanic figure of Judge Kaplan. If there isn't a screenplay being written right now about this entire vulgar farce I'll chew off my own legs. The legal groundswell against Kaplan is huge and growing, he'll die disgraced and an example of bench corruption to the max.
It would be bad enough even as a one off. But I imagine there's several of those types of catastrophes we don't know about. And Steven Donziger ? I don't really know what to say about his courage and bravery.
Re: The Climate Thread - PaulP - 11-19-2020
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/11/16/arctic-refuge-drilling-trump/
Re: The Climate Thread - PaulP - 11-19-2020
This thread should really be called "The Climate / Environment Thread". If someone at HQ could please change it, that would be great.