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Re: Next Flag: Carlton or St Kilda? - Gointocarlton - 04-15-2020
(04-15-2020, 08:48 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Caros article on this a week or 2 ago said that only 3 teams would be able to go it alone. I can't recall if it was Vic based clubs only.Unassisted clubs are West Coast, Richmond, Collingwood, Hawthorn Adelaide, Western Bulldogs and Cheats FC.
Tigers, Pies and i think it was either Hawthorn or Geelong for the 3rd were the only 3 teams deemed viable due to the money in the bank that they hold.
It was suggested that the Kangas could be insolvent in about 2 weeks. The Sainters not too far behind.
Basically the AFL said it like this.
If you need assistance now, or you think you may need it in the not too distant future, you need to apply now.
If you apply later, then you will have to pay a higher price for any bailout you ask for.
So its simply smart business to ask now given the unknowns. You'll be better off in the long run.
Its better asking and not needing than not asking and needing.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/western-bulldogs-among-the-six-clubs-to-go-it-alone-20200406-p54hnt.html
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/stalwart-elshaug-laid-off-by-bombers-in-coronavirus-crunch-20200414-p54jn3.html
Re: Next Flag: Carlton or St Kilda? - PaulP - 04-15-2020
Back on topic, the comparison to St Kilda seems rather arbitrary.
At any rate, it's good news that we are now being mentioned in the same breath as them. If you've ever craved a single sentence that summarises our precipitous decline, look no further.
Re: Next Flag: Carlton or St Kilda? - Gointocarlton - 04-15-2020
(04-15-2020, 10:54 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Back on topic, the comparison to St Kilda seems rather arbitrary.Long term remains to be seen, I'm not convinced. This year (if it gets going again) and/or next year, they will go passed us based on what I have seen or not seen in our our case.
At any rate, it's good news that we are now being mentioned in the same breath as them. If you've ever craved a single sentence that summarises our precipitous decline, look no further.
Re: Next Flag: Carlton or St Kilda? - capcom - 04-15-2020
REM ... it's the end of the (AFL) world as we know it
Re: Next Flag: Carlton or St Kilda? - crashlander - 04-15-2020
Our future depends on our midfield. If we can produce a top ruckman, we can go all the way.
Re: Next Flag: Carlton or St Kilda? - LP - 04-15-2020
(04-15-2020, 11:14 AM)capcom date Wrote:REM ... it's the end of the (AFL) world as we know itYes, it's important to remember this.
Healy, Brown and Pavlich are commenting based on the AFL they knew, not what it will become!
Nobody really knows who is going to be best suited to the Nouveau AFL genre, because we do not know what Nouveau AFL is yet!
There are some interesting tells though, clubs rallying against draft age change, rich clubs asking for assistance! In one case those two perspectives are even coincident, that in my opinion it is a sign of the old world desperately clinging onto power! They won't succeed as change is inevitable, so for them it could be disastrous, not just financially but tactically, the rules of the game are changing on all levels.
In other cases, it appears some clubs may be delusional, they are thinking business as usual in ignorance that usual no longer exists, Perhaps it's just they are in shock, a sort of corporate / social denial! They comment and behave like this fever situation has peaked, when it's really just the first sneeze of a long flu season!
Re: Next Flag: Carlton or St Kilda? - Baggers - 04-15-2020
(04-15-2020, 10:01 PM)LP link Wrote:Yes, it's important to remember this.
Healy, Brown and Pavlich are commenting based on the AFL they knew, not what it will become!
Nobody really knows who is going to be best suited to the Nouveau AFL genre, because we do not know what Nouveau AFL is yet!
There are some interesting tells though, clubs rallying against draft age change, rich clubs asking for assistance! In one case those two perspectives are even coincident, that in my opinion it is a sign of the old world desperately clinging onto power! They won't succeed as change is inevitable, so for them it could be disastrous, not just financially but tactically, the rules of the game are changing on all levels.
In other cases, it appears some clubs may be delusional, they are thinking business as usual in ignorance that usual no longer exists, Perhaps it's just they are in shock, a sort of corporate / social denial! They comment and behave like this fever situation has peaked, when it's really just the first sneeze of a long flu season!
Yep. My concern is that Gil, as we well know, is drawn to fluff and glitz and will attempt to steer our game too far in that direction. The temptation to turn our game into something like that abomination of a pre-season 'thing' at the beginning of last year maybe too much for Gil. Hopefully the coaches, Presidents and CEOs will keep this bloke in check.
There is necessary change, then there is change for the sake of it... or to satisfy a particular, peculiar bias.
Re: Next Flag: Carlton or St Kilda? - Professer E - 04-15-2020
No draft, or a lift in draft age will seriously impact a number of clubs that need to get new talent in the door fast.
Personally I sat F'em. Do exactly that. The AFL hasn't exactly gone out of their way to help us out in that area in the past decade.
Re: Next Flag: Carlton or St Kilda? - capcom - 04-16-2020
When Virgin folds (as it will) just contemplate the reconstruction of flights to a QF schedule for interstate operations. And to where?
IMHO, 2020 should be put to bed now so resource planning commences now in earnest for 2021.
It'll need a bloody decent panel dedicated to logistics, frameworks, sponsorships and competing teams.
Action without bias and mature project managers.
Re: Next Flag: Carlton or St Kilda? - Gointocarlton - 04-16-2020
(04-16-2020, 01:42 AM)capcom link Wrote:When Virgin folds (as it will) just contemplate the reconstruction of flights to a QF schedule for interstate operations. And to where?I'm starting to think 2020 is a WOFT now. Those in charge will really earn their keep getting through this one.
IMHO, 2020 should be put to bed now so resource planning commences now in earnest for 2021.
It'll need a bloody decent panel dedicated to logistics, frameworks, sponsorships and competing teams.
Action without bias and mature project managers.