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Re: If Not BB, Who? - cookie2 - 04-06-2019
Don't think we'll be changing coaches yet - BB is safe until the end of the year imo. Beyond that - not sure, depends on how things pan out.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - PaulP - 04-06-2019
(04-06-2019, 07:01 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Longmire or Clarkson or Simpson or ... I'm not attached to who, simply someone with experience and some measure of success behind them. I suspect there are others who are aware of potential suitors.
Come on Shano, this is page 1 of the John Elliott, Old Carlton playbook. Which has been tried and failed, not once (Pagan) but twice (Malthouse).
Re: If Not BB, Who? - Baggers - 04-06-2019
(04-06-2019, 07:10 AM)spf link Wrote:Knowing our influential supporters we will end up with Loss Ryon.
Well he'd want to show more re developing his young squad at Freo. But yes, there is connection between Ross and the Judge and SOS.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-06-2019
No obvious replacement for Bolton unless you want the Judge and SOS getting their mate Ross Lyon over from Freo.... :o
Re: If Not BB, Who? - Lods - 04-06-2019
If we don't stick with Bolton it has to be an 'opposite'.
Someone who has tasted success as a coach at a pretty high level....at least finals.
Look, This thread has been coming...I'm surprised it's taken this long.
But before we sink this experiment, and it will be a dramatic and traumatic sinking, I'd like to see us get a win and see what happens from there.
Folks are right
We're in a rut, where winning has become this foreign thing, and it's feeding on itself.
If we were to pull off a win and then follow it up it may be just the tonic we need to kick start this rebuild.
The fear is that it will only take a really bad loss or two and the move towards change will be irreversible.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - Baggers - 04-06-2019
Agree, Principal LODS. I think I said before the first game that this group needs a big win, a real 'kill', and you're right, it might be the tonic that gets the ball rolling. Man I hope so.
What little confidence we have is so brittle, easily broken. Longmire dismantled us quite easily today, and too many who coach against BB are able to do the same. This is one of my main wants for a more experienced senior coach... someone who can immediately identify the opposition coach's moves and be able to counteract, or believe holding course will do the trick or ...whatever.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-06-2019
(04-06-2019, 07:21 AM)Lods link Wrote:If we don't stick with Bolton it has to be an 'opposite'.
Someone who has tasted success as a coach at a pretty high level....at least finals.
Look, This thread has been coming...I'm surprised it's taken this long.
But before we sink this experiment, and it will be a dramatic and traumatic sinking, I'd like to see us get a win and see what happens from there.
Folks are right
We're in a rut, where winning has become this foreign thing, and it's feeding on itself.
If we were to pull off a win and then follow it up it may be just the tonic we need to kick start this rebuild.
The fear is that it will only take a really bad loss or two and the move towards change will be irreversible.
One win vs a struggling team we are meant to beat in GC wont change much...Bolton needs some big scalps and needs to score some victories of his own in the coaching box
where tactically he has proven to be lacking hence we have this farcical arrangement with Walls as a silent mentor.
I'd be changing the support crew...its obvious that Brett Ratten has been a real plus for Richo at the Saints and we need a class assistant to take over some of the main tasks especially planning and tactics.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - Lods - 04-06-2019
I guess the problem is
We've tried transitioning an assistant into the senior role. (Brittain)
We've tried the supercoach (Pagan)
We've given the job to a passionate favourite son (Ratten)
Back to the supercoach to take us that final step (Malthouse)….and then levelled the joint and rebuilt it with a promising youngster with a good assistant reputation. (Bolton)
Now if this doesn't work...
Where do we go from here...and more importantly how do we take the members and supporters with us....because their faith will be severely dented, and trust gone.
A coach will never get the same latitude to rebuild again.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - Lods - 04-06-2019
(04-06-2019, 07:39 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:One win vs a struggling team we are meant to beat in GC wont change much...Bolton needs some big scalps and needs to score some victories of his own in the coaching box
where tactically he has proven to be lacking hence we have this farcical arrangement with Walls as a silent mentor.
I'd be changing the support crew...its obvious that Brett Ratten has been a real plus for Richo at the Saints and we need a class assistant to take over some of the main tasks especially planning and tactics.
No one win won't...it would have to be a win that triggered a series of wins.
Re: If Not BB, Who? - Gointocarlton - 04-06-2019
(04-06-2019, 06:52 AM)Navy Maven link Wrote:Personally I think we need to stick it out with Bolts. Richmond supporters wanted Hardwick’s head on a plate only 3 seasons ago, ditto Collingwood supporters and Buckley. Coaches learn from mistakes and Bolts will do the same. If we went with someone new, it would be a rookie coach, time has shown the recycled coaches don’t seem to measure up these days, so i’d rather stick with the rookie we have.Spot on, people are simply running out of patience and as Pauly said pulling out the John Elliott Play Book. Sure, the losses are patience sapping, but we need to stay the course. The signs are there, we just need to do it for longer periods. If our board jumps at the shadows and gets Ross Lyon, that will be the end for me.