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Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - Thryleon - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 12:19 AM)PaulP link Wrote:We'll be bottom 4 in 2019 IMO. Too many unproven aspects to our game, and too many things have to go right to finish much higher.
+1.
It's like the reverse of murphy's law.
Everything has to go perfectly for us to have a dramatic improvement to our fortunes.
We will be doing well to have won about 6-8 games, and I also think thats a realistic target to aim for, and yet that still will see us in that bottom 4-6 scenario.
Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - flyboy77 - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 03:37 AM)sandsmere link Wrote:Spot-on fb.
They're the 2 that can help Cripps the most.
A mate in Sydney reckons Neuman played some good footy in the midfield too, but didn't get a lot of time there because
they had plenty of midfielders.
Newman looks ideally suited to a wing? The link man delivering the ball I50?
Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - Lods - 10-31-2018
I'm just just curious as to what the 'landscape' club wise would look like with another bottom 4 finish.
I'm sure the hard -core would be hanging on.
But the seepage of support would be that much greater and the hard core that much thinner.
I'm not sure our prospects for picking up talent at next year's trade/ draft period would be great either ...so the future would be doubtful.
Nope...these blokes have to come on next year, and that means improvement in wins and position.
Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - flyboy77 - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 03:56 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:+1.
It's like the reverse of murphy's law.
Everything has to go perfectly for us to have a dramatic improvement to our fortunes.
We will be doing well to have won about 6-8 games, and I also think thats a realistic target to aim for, and yet that still will see us in that bottom 4-6 scenario.
Nope, we only need a modest amount of luck with injuries to improve markedly.
Loads of organic improvement (almot inevitable) plus the return of injured players (quality ones at that) and a swag of quality new faces.
Need to beat the Tigers Rd 1 and get a much needed shot of confiudence....
Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - ElwoodBlues1 - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 12:01 AM)Lods link Wrote:I think the defensive side of things comes back to the mid-field pressure I talked about in the OP.
It's not the only factor....but if the mids are getting dominated and the ball is coming in quickly and often that's when players like Jones and Weitering will get caught out.
If Jones drifts away from his man and there's a turnover midfield....or he backs his judgement and attacks the ball while a group of opposition midfielders are waltzing through ours... then we're in strife.
Weitering isnt a key defender yet......like Marchbank he prefers the intercept game rather than having to body up on the likes of Dixon, Lynch, Kennedy etc....
You look at the list and its Jones and Weitering only vs the big key forwards, there is nothing else...McGovern isnt a key backman and has just said he prefers playing forward....
We need another key tall back who has some grunt and kegs on the frame.......you look at GWS, its their weakness too, SOS really never addressed the key back area and its cost them.
Booting Rowe and losing Silvagni to retirement meant we should have recruited a mature replacement but we didnt....
Midfield pressure for sure will help but you look at Setterfield and he is a new kid with only two games and Kennedy is still a doubtful quantity vs real class and we are not even sure he can stay on the park for the majority of the season. Docherty back is great and hopefully Williamson is fit to go as well but you look at round 1 and Lynch and J. Reiwoldt and it makes me uneasy with two very flakey opponents like Jones and JW playing on them.....
Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - LP - 10-31-2018
Kerr might be the KPD man EB1, he's played that role at VFL level.
(10-31-2018, 05:17 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Docherty back is great and hopefully Williamson is fit to go as well but you look at round 1 and Lynch and J. Reiwoldt and it smakes me uneasy with two very flakey opponents like Jones and JW playing on them.....
But on that basis we've had nothing for Lynch before or after the departure of Rowe and ACoS, as I see it the problem isn't the KPDs, the problem is our pissweak midfield defensive running efffort.
Regardless, what are the odds Reiwoldt will clean up Lynch sometime early in the season, like he has to all the other KPFs that competed with him for the football!
Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - crazyjoedevolamk11 - 10-31-2018
(10-30-2018, 11:48 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Mcgovern, Charlie and Harry will need to kick a lot of goals for us to win because down the other end its going to be carnage.....That's very glass half empty EB, we haven't even started pre season yet, they haven't smashed the HOPE out of me for next year yet ;D ;D
Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - ElwoodBlues1 - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 06:58 AM)crazyjoedevolamk11 link Wrote:That's very glass half empty EB, we haven't even started pre season yet, they haven't smashed the HOPE out of me for next year yet ;D ;D
I'm still hopeful CJ, I'm just a realist and that backline in regards tall defenders doesnt impress me....
Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - Jack Burton - 10-31-2018
I still think midfield is our biggest problem. There may be some incremental improvement from some of the youngsters, equally some may stagnate or get injured. I was hoping we would bring in 1 or 2 mature mids to help out, but we didn't. So I think that means bottom 4 in 2019
Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - PaulP - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 05:00 AM)Lods link Wrote:I'm just just curious as to what the 'landscape' club wise would look like with another bottom 4 finish.
I'm sure the hard -core would be hanging on.
But the seepage of support would be that much greater and the hard core that much thinner.
I'm not sure our prospects for picking up talent at next year's trade/ draft period would be great either ...so the future would be doubtful.
Nope...these blokes have to come on next year, and that means improvement in wins and position.
Finishing 15th would be an improvement on 2018. I think you will get a mixed bag of feelings at all supporter levels, from the Carltonians all the way down. None will be terribly happy, but some will be screaming blue murder, and some will be more understanding.
I look through the other 17 teams, and I really can't see one game where we are a lock to win. I reckon we have a chance against the Saints and GC, and that's about it.