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Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 06:18 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:Levi was pathetic. Looked disinterested and gals over most times he’s anywhere near it.
Coach was poor.
We started terribly with our disposal killing us.
We look like weak kids. We need some serious physicality
How long have I have been saying that for, we got roughed up and fell apart under the physical pressure......
Hawks stepped off the gas a bit and allowed us back in but it was a easy win for them given we lost two players and
just didnt have the mature bodies to fight fire with fire......
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - laj - 07-22-2018
Only thing is those young players we've recruited the last few drafts do look ok. Kennedy now showing we made a good decision recruiting him. With Marchbank and Pickett as well when they are properly fit again they'll be good pick ups, Weitering looks better with responsibility of a key position. SPS was better, but probably best to play as a smaller forward with only the odd role in the midfield. Polson probably took a step today. SOJ much better in defence with a role but his kicking was wobbly. Schumaker had a good one with the NB's today, reckon he can replace Shaw next week. Reckon now if we are to go with another tall forward, not that we need to, let it be De Konning for a few games rather than Levi now. he does look a player.
Now just need a coach who can get the best out of them. Current one can't. Really shouldn't be as shit as we are.
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - laj - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 06:14 AM)Dominator_7 link Wrote:Bolts ain’t going anywhere.
Showed in his first two years when injuries weren’t such an issue that he can coach.
Needs the right support staff around him and a better playing list.
Can't go this far backwards. No amount of injuries can be excuse for a near winless season. Game plan is terrible.
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - laj - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 06:18 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:Levi was pathetic. Looked disinterested and falls over most times he’s anywhere near it.
Coach was poor.
We started terribly with our disposal killing us.
We look like weak kids. We need some serious physicality
If we're going to have another tall in there may as well be De Konning for a few games rather than Levi. Levi's done a pretty good job over the years given his talent filling that gap between losing Waite and Henderson and the young ones coming though but after his contract runs out his time is probably done. He'll be 30. Good to have with the NB's for another year to help young one's along but that's it. He come as pick 44 in a rookie draft so we've done well to get out of him what we have with his limited ability. His 100th game was one of his best games for the club but since he busted his rib he's really struggled.
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 06:23 AM)laj link Wrote:Only thing is those young players we've recruited the last few drafts do look ok. Kennedy now showing we made a good decision recruiting him. With Marchbank and Pickett as well when they are properly fit again they'll be good pick ups, Weitering looks better with responsibility of a key position. SPS was better, but probably best to play as a smaller forward with only the odd role in the midfield. Polson probably took a step today. SOJ much better in defence with a role but his kicking was wobbly. Schumaker had a good one with the NB's today, reckon he can replace Shaw next week. Reckon now if we are to go with another tall forward, not that we need to, let it be De Konning for a few games rather than Levi now. he does look a player.
Now just need a coach who can get the best out of them. Current one can't. Really shouldn't be as crap as we are.
Reckon Kruezer will come back for Levi but play more forward.....Lobbe has to stay in IMO...Witts had 56 hitouts and 9 tackles vs Sydney and usually does well vs Kreuzer...
re: Kennedy....still not convinced, 1st quarter was terrible, just handed the ball to Hawks players but did improve as the game went on...not a frontline mid IMO..more your Blue Collar 4th mid who needs some class around him to make up for his rough disposal....
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - kruddler - 07-22-2018
We had 12 kids 21 and under today....and played like it.
Next.
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - Dominator_7 - 07-22-2018
Worked so hard really to get back into the game.
Levi dropping an easy mark 45 out changed the momentum.
Had he taken it, gone back and slotted the goal like any other decent forward, we would’ve been right back in the contest,
Ran out of steam late on due to bring 2 down, thus the blow out in the score in the last 10 minutes.
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - PaulP - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 06:14 AM)Dominator_7 link Wrote:Bolts ain’t going anywhere.
....................
I hope not. Sacking him is a band aid solution, which we have tried unsuccessfully a few times already.
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - PaulP - 07-22-2018
The Hawks are not the same team as a few years back, but they still have a decent number of premiership players, a decent number of 100-200 gamers, a 4 time premiership coach, and of course, their secret weapon, super coach Ratts.
I could never understand why some folks thought this was a winnable game.
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - Lods - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 06:18 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:Levi was pathetic. Looked disinterested and falls over most times he’s anywhere near it.
Coach was poor.
We started terribly with our disposal killing us.
We look like weak kids. We need some serious physicality
We are weak kids...and lack the physicality to compete.
Polson is a classic example.. that last tackle where he was caught he was running at speed.
Would a 22 year old Polson bust right through that...That will be the test of whether some of these blokes stay on our list.
We'll get some improvement from these striplings as they bulk up...whether it's enough will reflect on Silvagni's list management.
Just looking at some of them though you wonder whether they have the genetic make-up to come up much bigger.
Polson was better today...Improvement is all you can ask.
Keep improving and you keep your place.
Liked Lobbe's game and Kennedy will get better and be useful with consistent game time.
Silvagni has his limitations but you can't fault his effort.
Weitering was also better today, apart from his woeful kick in and one time he was run down, but he looked a lot more confident..
Marchbank had one terrible shot at goal but I'd like to see him spend a bit more time forward to get a real judgement.
Murphy appeared to get a lot of the ball but I didn't notice much of an impact from him.
Where are we at the moment?...I'm buggered if I know.
I can understand what's trying to be achieved..but I think we're coming up short in a few areas.
Bolton gets another 12 months but if we're in a similar position in July 2019 he'll probably be looking for another job.
Silvagni should also be on notice as the team will be very much his list by the end of next year.