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Re: Next Captain - DJC - 04-22-2018
(04-22-2018, 07:55 AM)Lods link Wrote:Yet some were critical of Cripps as stand in captain last week.
He'll no doubt get a run of games now with Murphy's injury so he has a chance to stake a claim
Yes, I thought Cripps was underwhelming last week but it was a last minute call up. He was certainly ready to go on Saturday.
I’m not convinced that either of Cripps and Docherty should be our next captain but I don’t see how they show leadership at training, in meetings or around the club and playing group generally. Judging leadership skills on the basis of an on field performance is fraught. Cripps certainly played a “captain’s game” against Wet Toast but I’d expect that level of effort from all of our players in every game.
While Cripps can “stake a claim” on the field, Docherty is doing the same through his role with the coaching panel. However, I suspect that the club’s focus on leadership will mean that the best leader will be the skipper in 2019 and beyond.
Re: Next Captain - madbluboy - 04-22-2018
Cripps had a quiet game last week but so has everyone Ben Jacobs has tagged this year including Tom Mitchell yesterday.
Re: Next Captain - cookie2 - 04-22-2018
The whole team will improve as it develops and learns what is expected of each and every one of them every time they take to the field. The captain's role will become more attuned to that as time goes on so it will hopefully become one of leading a team of seasoned ruthless professionals rather than trying to inspire a bunch of developing kids. Whoever develops into that mould best will probably get the gig.
Re: Next Captain - Jeffy38 - 04-22-2018
(04-22-2018, 10:09 PM)LP link Wrote:When Murphy is ready to go, it should be Docherty by a mile!
From what I have heard, if not for injury, Rowe would have been part of the leadership group. I reckon if he has a good remainder of 2018 you might see entering the leadership group to replace ACoS or SpecialK.
Cripps won't survive long at the top if his only response to captaincy is to turn himself into a human battering ram, he needs some physical support and I'm not sure Kennedy is the right type. In much the same way the Dogs didn't make Bontempelli their captain, we need to be careful about how we managed Cripps through his career! Cripps already plays with an intensity that may be detrimental to his well-being.
I realise Docherty is only a year older, but he's a much more polished footballer, he looks like he can play football and deal with the responsibility of captaincy.
Captaincy like revenge is a dish best served brutally cold, Cripps has quite a bit of emotion in his game and that can result in leadership mistakes!
I see docherty more in the Murphy mould, neat player and articulate but perhaps not as natural a Leader as Cripps. Cripps exhibits an extreme determination to win and yes he can be careless with his body but I don’t see that as a reason to not appoint him captain.
Either way it’s a good problem to have - one we haven’t had in quite some time!
Re: Next Captain - Baggers - 04-22-2018
(04-22-2018, 10:15 PM)JonHenry link Wrote:Cripps seems like the logical choice atm
He is setting an example for others to follow, which is a massive start.
Exactly what Murphy doesn't do. He cannot exert a physical influence on the game, and like it or not, other players do follow that.
It's easy to call Johnathon Brown a buffoon, but the reality is, he played under one of the toughest captains to play the game, in one of the best sides ever.
He has seen first hand the influence such a leader can have.
We need a change of direction. We need to get more physical. We need to challenge our playing group to become tougher.
That said, why would you not have joint captains?
They could compliment each other well.
Sensible and spot on.
There are many types of leadership, but in a gladiatorial sport, a bull at the contest inspires. Whether we like it or not, this is a very emotional game (just look at some of our posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Great leaders inspire and harness that emotion. You can also see that Crippa is very vocal, good. But, like you I'm not too sure that joint skippers isn't a bad idea. In fact, a leader at stoppages/around the ground and a general down back sounds good to me - especially Crippa and the Doc.
On the subject of a bull at the contest, just look how Rowe straightened up our defence with his vigour...
Re: Next Captain - Lods - 04-23-2018
It's interesting looking back on a previous thread on this topic.
Basically the names of potential candidates have stayed the same....except for one
http://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=3243.0
Re: Next Captain - LP - 04-23-2018
(04-22-2018, 11:19 PM)Baggers link Wrote:On the subject of a bull at the contest, just look how Rowe straightened up our defence with his vigour...
True, Jones looked 1000% better, Weitering would have benefited as well if he'd played.
Back on Cripps, a lot of comparisons to the likes of Brown, and I've made comparisons to Hodge as a physical leader. But both those players had serious and physically imposing counterparts besides them early in their careers, Cripps has nobody at the moment. Would Hodge have been the same without someone like Vandenberg's sacrificing his own game, and Johnathon Brown had blokes like Voss, Scott, Scott, Johnston, Leppitsch. Does Cripps have enough "backup" to be that type of player / leader?
In terms of aggression, after Cripps I reckon our next is Daisy probably followed by Plowman and Lamb! We just don't have many of that type!
Re: Next Captain - madbluboy - 04-23-2018
Cripps has Marc Murphy.
Re: Next Captain - spf - 04-23-2018
(04-23-2018, 12:19 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Cripps has Marc Murphy.
Cripps also had Judd when he first started, that kind of helped.
Re: Next Captain - Navy Maven - 04-23-2018
I've always been firmly in the Docherty camp, I think he'd be an excellent captain. But after the weekends performance of Cripps, and given Doc is out for the season, I reckon Crippa will get the nod. I think we need a Captain that doesn't get smashed by the media and supporters alike after every game, so I think Cripps is the man. But honestly, I don't think we can lose out with either. Whoever isn't the captain will no doubt be the Vice Captain for the next 7 years. We have some good leaders coming through which is excellent to see. Would have been interesting to see how it would have played out if Doc hadn't got injured though.
I reckon it's a 99.99% certainty that Murphy doesn't captain next year.