+- Carlton Supporters Club (http://new.carltonsc.com)
+-- Forum: Princes Park (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-4.html)
+--- Forum: Robert Heatley Stand (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-14.html)
+--- Thread: Give Harry a go (/thread-3691.html)
Re: Give Harry a go - DJC - 03-26-2018
(03-26-2018, 11:39 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Casboult had one disposal inside 50, Rance gave him a bath.
So Rance isn't responsible for the possessions Levi gets outside 50?
I just watched the first quarter again and I'm more than happy to watch the rest of the game to confirm that my recollections are correct.
In the first quarter Casboult blocked Rance's run, allowing Curnow to mark and goal. Casboult then brought the ball to ground for Curnow's second goal.
Casboult spent some time in the ruck, winning 5 centre bounces and a boundary throw in. While that was happening, Rance got a very soft free kick. He then took a good mark over Casboult.
Casboult then got a break on Rance but the delivery was poor and fell short of Casboult's lead. Rance got a handpass and followed it up with a shocker that went directly to Lamb for a goal to Garlett.
So, in the first quarter Casboult was instrumental in two goals, won 6 ruck contests, and was let down by a poor kick. Rance had one mark, two kicks and two handpasses, one of which resulted directly in a goal to us. Who was the better player
I know that you love to pump up the performances of opposition players MBB but you're challenging reality with this line of argument :
Re: Give Harry a go - sandsmere - 03-26-2018
Harry needs more time in the VFL first.
He gave us a couple glimpses of potential in 2017, but has done very little so far this season.
A few good VFL games and then bring him up maybe.
Right now I think Kerr has gone past him.
Re: Give Harry a go - flyboy77 - 03-26-2018
(03-26-2018, 08:16 PM)sandsmere link Wrote:Harry needs more time in the VFL first.
He gave us a couple glimpses of potential in 2017, but has done very little so far this season.
A few good VFL games and then bring him up maybe.
Right now I think Kerr has gone past him.
Past him? Based on what output exactly and when the NBs season hasn't even started?
That's silly.
But yes, Harry needs to perform this season....
Re: Give Harry a go - madbluboy - 03-26-2018
(03-26-2018, 12:49 PM)DJC link Wrote:So Rance isn't responsible for the possessions Levi gets outside 50?
I just watched the first quarter again and I'm more than happy to watch the rest of the game to confirm that my recollections are correct.
In the first quarter Casboult blocked Rance's run, allowing Curnow to mark and goal. Casboult then brought the ball to ground for Curnow's second goal.
Casboult spent some time in the ruck, winning 5 centre bounces and a boundary throw in. While that was happening, Rance got a very soft free kick. He then took a good mark over Casboult.
Casboult then got a break on Rance but the delivery was poor and fell short of Casboult's lead. Rance got a handpass and followed it up with a shocker that went directly to Lamb for a goal to Garlett.
So, in the first quarter Casboult was instrumental in two goals, won 6 ruck contests, and was let down by a poor kick. Rance had one mark, two kicks and two handpasses, one of which resulted directly in a goal to us. Who was the better player
I know that you love to pump up the performances of opposition players MBB but you're challenging reality with this line of argument :
Casboult had zero possessions in the first quarter. ZERO. You're the one that needs to come back to reality.
Levi came into the game half way through the 3rd term when he went full time into the ruck while Kreuzer was injured.
Re: Give Harry a go - LP - 03-26-2018
(03-26-2018, 09:08 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Past him? Based on what output exactly and when the NBs season hasn't even started?
That's silly.
But yes, Harry needs to perform this season....
I haven't attended any NB practice games but friends tell me Kerr has looked pretty good in the practice matches despite just returning from injury and needing to build his fitness. Although I believe Kerr only played partial game time, but then apparently McKay, Phillips and De Koning also only played partial game time.
Obviously Kerr is not an AFL level ruck option, despite rucking in the VFL last season. But I'd also prefer McKay not to ruck given his recent history of stress related injuries, he needs to stick to the KPP stuff for a season or so. Like Sansmere I hope McKay eventually comes into the seniors after a bag of at least 4 or 5 VFL goals, arrive in AFL with some VFL confidence! We saw last season how doing this benefited Jones.
For VFL Rnd 1 we should have a super-side, Rowe, ACoS, Williamson, Shaw, Philips, Lang and Lobbe are all expected back from injury.
Re: Give Harry a go - blue4life - 03-27-2018
We've really got to stop pumping up Levi's tyres, he's the best of a bad lot at Carlton but in reality he's just not much good.
He had one touch before half time on Thursday night and we were running on top of the ground in the first half, it's nowhere near what's required from a senior player.
Play McKay and see what comes of it I reckon, we've signed him for four years so let's see if our judgement matches reality.
Re: Give Harry a go - flyboy77 - 03-27-2018
(03-27-2018, 12:13 AM)blue4life link Wrote:We've really got to stop pumping up Levi's tyres, he's the best of a bad lot at Carlton but in reality he's just not much good.
He had one touch before half time on Thursday night and we were running on top of the ground in the first half, it's nowhere near what's required from a senior player.
Play McKay and see what comes of it I reckon, we've signed him for four years so let's see if our judgement matches reality.
And yet SOS has had 3 chances to cull him and hasn't.....
In SOS I trust.
And Harry ain't a ruckman...
Re: Give Harry a go - LP - 03-27-2018
(03-27-2018, 12:17 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:And Harry ain't a ruckman...
Not yet, and we shouldn't rush him into the center square, but he does take some ruck duties in F50.
However, I would also question the value of McKay taking ruck duties inside F50, a unique part of his game is his mobility and clean hands at ground level, not something 200cm types normally exhibit. We'd be better off if he was roving the stoppage!
Re: Give Harry a go - blue4life - 03-27-2018
(03-27-2018, 12:17 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:And Harry ain't a ruckman...
Neither is Levi.
As I said, he's the best of a bad lot at Carlton but McKay might at least develop into a good footballer given the opportunity, it's obvious now that Levi won't.
Re: Give Harry a go - LP - 03-27-2018
If SpecialK isn't fit it will almost certainly be Phillips or Lobbe that come in, probably Phillips seeing he's played part of a VFL practice match.