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Re: 5th Test vs England in Sydney - Professer E - 01-08-2018
I was really impressed how the poms stuck at it for almost 200 overs in that heat, showed ticker if nothing else.
Been following the saffies.... I'm very worried for our blokes.... Their batting is so good with de Kock at six that they played four pacemen plus a spinner.... Rabada et al are scary under any conditions.
Our fielding needs to improve 1000% as well.
Re: 5th Test vs England in Sydney - laj - 01-09-2018
(01-08-2018, 11:47 PM)Professer E link Wrote:I was really impressed how the poms stuck at it for almost 200 overs in that heat, showed ticker if nothing else.
Been following the saffies.... I'm very worried for our blokes.... Their batting is so good with de Kock at six that they played four pacemen plus a spinner.... Rabada et al are scary under any conditions.
Our fielding needs to improve 1000% as well.
Actually, outside a few batsmen their batting isn't that strong. I reckon ours overall is better. They had no idea against the moving ball last night and that was against India's pacemen. Admittedly the pitch was juiced up just for India but their batting put themselves in a position where they could lose the Test Match. Our very aggressive bowling would kill their batting line up on those pitches as well if they juiced it up like they did for this Test again India. We always go well in SA, no reason it won't happen again. SA's not that good. They lost in England 2-1.
Yes, our catching during the series wasn't good. Dropped some shockers. You could make an argument that Smith's dropped catches in Melbourne, when Cook was just 66, cost us a 5-0 result.
Re: 5th Test vs England in Sydney - ElwoodBlues1 - 01-09-2018
(01-09-2018, 12:58 AM)laj link Wrote:Actually, outside a few batsmen their batting isn't that strong. I reckon ours overall is better. They had no idea against the moving ball last night and that was against India's pacemen. Admittedly the pitch was juiced up just for India but their batting put themselves in a position where they could lose the Test Match. Our very aggressive bowling would kill their batting line up on those pitches as well if they juiced it up like they did for this Test again India. We always go well in SA, no reason it won't happen again. SA's not that good. They lost in England 2-1.
Yes, our catching during the series wasn't good. Dropped some shockers. You could make an argument that Smith's dropped catches in Melbourne, when Cook was just 66, cost us a 5-0 result.
I think we will start favourites...as you say I think their batting overall isnt as strong but they have a couple of standouts, I'm not as bullish on our batting though and I have noticed Steyn is back bowling which makes their attack better. The only edge I see them having is being at home and they are always a good fielding team with good catchers...I'd take Renshaw for his slip work, cant be any be any worse than Bancroft with the bat either....two lefties opening might also work better vs the Saffies with Steyn and Rabada who bowl outswing.
I wouldnt expect many road like pitches either, reckon they will green up the wickets and back their own bowlers...
Re: 5th Test vs England in Sydney - JonHenry - 01-09-2018
(01-09-2018, 01:18 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I think we will start favourites...as you say I think their batting overall isnt as strong but they have a couple of standouts, I'm not as bullish on our batting though and I have noticed Steyn is back bowling which makes their attack better. The only edge I see them having is being at home and they are always a good fielding team with good catchers...I'd take Renshaw for his slip work, cant be any be any worse than Bancroft with the bat either....two lefties opening might also work better vs the Saffies with Steyn and Rabada who bowl outswing.
I wouldnt expect many road like pitches either, reckon they will green up the wickets and back their own bowlers...
Steyn is injured.
Did a foot I think.
Will be out for 4-6 weeks.
Re: 5th Test vs England in Sydney - laj - 01-09-2018
(01-09-2018, 01:39 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:Steyn is injured.
Did a foot I think.
Will be out for 4-6 weeks.
Been happier if it was 10-12 weeks..lol.
Re: 5th Test vs England in Sydney - crashlander - 01-09-2018
Steyn is not what he used to be. He remains a class act, but the speed he had when he was younger isn't there any more. He has had a few injuries lately (which makes him almost the same as ours, who are injury prone in the extreme). That doesn't mean he won't find another leg against us: he tried to lift for us. He also still moves the ball, and we don't play the moving ball well.
Rabada, on the other hand, has developed into a very good bowler and must be taken seriously.
Our batting: we have problems in the opening spot. Both Renshaw and Bancroft have shown more than a little, but neither is in form at the moment. Both of them could do with a great big dose of confidence and some serious technical work.
Darcy Short, anyone?
I wouldn't be saying our middle order problems are over. The Marx brothers, sorry, the Marsh brothers, have done their share, but ..... Mitch Marsh is a flat track bully: I don't like him against the moving ball at all.
And Paine has been OK, without being outstanding with either bat or keeping. Not quite a match for de Koch.
This doesn't spell disaster, but we would have to go into the series as considerable underdogs.
Re: 5th Test vs England in Sydney - JonHenry - 01-09-2018
(01-09-2018, 04:06 AM)crashlander link Wrote:Steyn is not what he used to be. He remains a class act, but the speed he had when he was younger isn't there any more. He has had a few injuries lately (which makes him almost the same as ours, who are injury prone in the extreme). That doesn't mean he won't find another leg against us: he tried to lift for us. He also still moves the ball, and we don't play the moving ball well.
Rabada, on the other hand, has developed into a very good bowler and must be taken seriously.
Our batting: we have problems in the opening spot. Both Renshaw and Bancroft have shown more than a little, but neither is in form at the moment. Both of them could do with a great big dose of confidence and some serious technical work.
Darcy Short, anyone?
I wouldn't be saying our middle order problems are over. The Marx brothers, sorry, the Marsh brothers, have done their share, but ..... Mitch Marsh is a flat track bully: I don't like him against the moving ball at all.
And Paine has been OK, without being outstanding with either bat or keeping. Not quite a match for de Koch.
This doesn't spell disaster, but we would have to go into the series as considerable underdogs.
Mitch Marsh's batting is completely different to what it was.
Much better balance between front and back foot play
Re: 5th Test vs England in Sydney - ElwoodBlues1 - 01-09-2018
(01-09-2018, 12:58 AM)laj link Wrote:Actually, outside a few batsmen their batting isn't that strong. I reckon ours overall is better. They had no idea against the moving ball last night and that was against India's pacemen. Admittedly the pitch was juiced up just for India but their batting put themselves in a position where they could lose the Test Match. Our very aggressive bowling would kill their batting line up on those pitches as well if they juiced it up like they did for this Test again India. We always go well in SA, no reason it won't happen again. SA's not that good. They lost in England 2-1.
Yes, our catching during the series wasn't good. Dropped some shockers. You could make an argument that Smith's dropped catches in Melbourne, when Cook was just 66, cost us a 5-0 result.
SA quicks led by Vernon Philander knocked over India to win that test, hopefully the pitches are better than that one...
Re: 5th Test vs England in Sydney - ElwoodBlues1 - 01-09-2018
(01-09-2018, 07:04 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:Mitch Marsh's batting is completely different to what it was.
Much better balance between front and back foot play
Easy to be balanced when its only 130k coming at you dead straight.......think SA will test his new found technique. I thought he got a bit square on in
a over exaggerated way but the Poms lack of pace and movement didnt show him up.
Philander and Rabada just knocked over India for not much with good outswing bowling, be a real test for not only M Marsh but the others if thats the conditions/movement the Saffies dish up....
Re: 5th Test vs England in Sydney - laj - 01-09-2018
(01-09-2018, 04:06 AM)crashlander link Wrote:Steyn is not what he used to be. He remains a class act, but the speed he had when he was younger isn't there any more. He has had a few injuries lately (which makes him almost the same as ours, who are injury prone in the extreme). That doesn't mean he won't find another leg against us: he tried to lift for us. He also still moves the ball, and we don't play the moving ball well.
Rabada, on the other hand, has developed into a very good bowler and must be taken seriously.
Our batting: we have problems in the opening spot. Both Renshaw and Bancroft have shown more than a little, but neither is in form at the moment. Both of them could do with a great big dose of confidence and some serious technical work.
Darcy Short, anyone?
I wouldn't be saying our middle order problems are over. The Marx brothers, sorry, the Marsh brothers, have done their share, but ..... Mitch Marsh is a flat track bully: I don't like him against the moving ball at all.
And Paine has been OK, without being outstanding with either bat or keeping. Not quite a match for de Koch.
This doesn't spell disaster, but we would have to go into the series as considerable underdogs.
South African batting isn't that strong. They had enough trouble with the Indian pacemen so they'll have alot of problems with our attack, although it was a pretty juiced track that become juicier after it sweated under the covers on the rained day. Australia invariably play well in SA.
Thought Paine did a really good job with the gloves. Actually never realised he has an average of 40 with the bat until I just looked it up, albeit from 9 Tests stretched apart..