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Re: Who was better in 2011? - madbluboy - 09-23-2017
AFLPA MOST VALUABLE PLAYER
Chris Judd (Carlton) 1347*
Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood) 456
Gary Ablett (Gold Coast) 389
Adam Goodes (Sydney) 300
Dean Cox (West Coast) 276
Murphy's opponents obviously don't share the same view.
Re: Who was better in 2011? - PaulP - 09-23-2017
(09-23-2017, 02:22 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:AFLPA MOST VALUABLE PLAYER
Chris Judd (Carlton) 1347*
Scott Pendlebury (Collingwood) 456
Gary Ablett (Gold Coast) 389
Adam Goodes (Sydney) 300
Dean Cox (West Coast) 276
Murphy's opponents obviously don't share the same view.
That's true. But there are other significant groups that do. If you go back and watch footage, read what was written at the time, look at the stats I posted earlier, you will see that both had brilliant seasons and splitting them is as MIO suggested, speculative, subjective, and not even remotely clear cut.
Re: Who was better in 2011? - mateinone - 09-23-2017
The problem with the afl pa though MBB has to be obvious
For example, who would Jaksch have selected this year?
Or Palmer?
The only way the aflpa could equate is if players selected the top players after each game. Most players who voted for either Jude or amurphy or another would be picking it based on zero encounters, with the next lot having played them once and a small amount having played twice.
All systems are flawed and you can't use any one award to determine a allures value, including coaches award. But I think the coaches probably get it right the most, then the aflpa then the Brownlow
That is just out of the major awards
Re: Who was better in 2011? - madbluboy - 09-23-2017
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/marcus-bontempelli-left-out-of-coaches-award-votes-by-north-melbournes-brad-scott/news-story/434bdfd165f33a99ece03964426b9074
Re: Who was better in 2011? - PaulP - 09-23-2017
(09-23-2017, 03:56 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/marcus-bontempelli-left-out-of-coaches-award-votes-by-north-melbournes-brad-scott/news-story/434bdfd165f33a99ece03964426b9074
It seems as though a grudge was at play in that situation. Were there any grudges against Murphy or Judd from coaches ? And can't players who vote in the players award also hold a grudge ?
Re: Who was better in 2011? - madbluboy - 09-23-2017
(09-23-2017, 04:02 AM)PaulP link Wrote:It seems as though a grudge was at play in that situation. Were there any grudges against Murphy or Judd from coaches ? And can't players who vote in the players award also hold a grudge ?
Well if Ratten liked Murphy way more than Judd (not saying that was the case) that could have had a huge influence.
Murphy had a great year in 2011, far better than this year but Judd was on another level and is probably the prime reason why Murphy isn't as good anymore.
Re: Who was better in 2011? - PaulP - 09-23-2017
(09-23-2017, 04:19 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Well if Ratten liked Murphy way more than Judd (not saying that was the case) that could have had a huge influence.
Murphy had a great year in 2011, far better than this year but Judd was on another level and is probably the prime reason why Murphy isn't as good anymore.
mbb, your case will continue to be on shaky foundations if you rely on things like this. The stats I quoted earlier would indicate that Murphy had a better year, although there really wasn't anything major separating them.
Judd's great inside work definitely helped Murphy. Of that there is no question. I've said before Murphy is at his best as an outside receiver / distributor and goal sneak / small forward. He was never built to do inside grunt work, and has battled manfully in this position under less than ideal circumstances.
Re: Who was better in 2011? - PaulP - 09-23-2017
And I should also add whilst most of the focus for the inside work falls rightfully on Judd, we shouldn't forget the good work of blokes like Carrots, Robbo and Brock, who all helped give the 2 stars a big chop out.
Re: Who was better in 2011? - madbluboy - 09-23-2017
Who was better in 2000? Kouta, Ratten or Campo?
Re: Who was better in 2011? - PaulP - 09-23-2017
(09-23-2017, 04:31 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Who was better in 2000? Kouta, Ratten or Campo?
My vote is for Ratten under any circumstances, but then I have a grudge.