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Re: Was Greece the birthplace of humanity? - cookie2 - 05-25-2017
(05-25-2017, 08:33 AM)DJC link Wrote:Sorry to disappoint Blues supporters with Greek heritage but that discovery is just one of many primate ancestors found in Africa, around the Mediterranean and in Asia. It's a side branch or evolutionary dead end and is not ancestral to modern humans.
Other "dead ends" continue to barrack for certain AFL teams we could nominate. :o
Re: Was Greece the birthplace of humanity? - Thryleon - 05-25-2017
(05-25-2017, 07:50 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:@LP let it go.
@Thry If that old gag caused any offence, I apologise sincerely and unresevedly. I must say, I have repeated that gag in front of my Greek mates and others countless times and I have never had an adverse reaction. That doesnt excuse any offence it may have caused, just putting it into context. Again, sorry.
GIC, im a big boy and I can take it so I accept your apology, but I am finding that I am less tolerant of this attitude as I grow older as we were conditioned to accept casual racism in the form of "light hearted humour" and are being told repeatedly that these sorts of comments are off limits towards some ethnic groups and not others these days, so I feel that perhaps these comments are no longer acceptable on any level and that we all need to start cutting this off here. After all, someone goes after the greeks, the greeks then go after another ethnic group and before you know it, we are wondering why comparing Adam Goodes to King Kong is being uttered on radio. You cut off casual racism, and then the real hurtful stuff gets the same treatment.
(05-25-2017, 08:33 AM)DJC link Wrote:Sorry to disappoint Blues supporters with Greek heritage but that discovery is just one of many primate ancestors found in Africa, around the Mediterranean and in Asia. It's a side branch or evolutionary dead end and is not ancestral to modern humans.
No dissapointment DJC, that sample may or may not be the missing link, we seem to revise history over and over and over again, and realistically if anyone were to claim that human ancestry began anywhere, hasnt researched the globes history well enough to know that originally the world was one connected land mass. You could find fossils of pre humans in Antarctica FFS.
Re: Was Greece the birthplace of humanity? - DJC - 05-26-2017
(05-25-2017, 11:09 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:No dissapointment DJC, that sample may or may not be the missing link, we seem to revise history over and over and over again, and realistically if anyone were to claim that human ancestry began anywhere, hasnt researched the globes history well enough to know that originally the world was one connected land mass. You could find fossils of pre humans in Antarctica FFS.
I took part in an archaeology department function at La Trobe last week and got to see incredibly accurate replicas of hominim/hominid skulls created by laser scanning and 3D printing; the application of cutting edge technology to incredibly ancient fossils :o
I guess the most surprising discoveries in recent times is that other Homo species were around at the same time as modern humans and there was some cohabitation with the DNA of those species persisting in our DNA!
I agree wholeheartedly with you about stopping casual racism Thry.
Re: Was Greece the birthplace of humanity? - LP - 05-26-2017
(05-26-2017, 12:11 AM)DJC link Wrote:I agree wholeheartedly with you about stopping casual racism Thry.
I have seen too many individuals labeled racist or discriminatory for purposes of political or personal gain that I will forever remain heavily skeptical. I'm especially skeptical when I see assertions of racism used to influence the arts or political commentary, it goes against free speech.
There is a significant difference between GTC's obviously light-hearted comments and the likes of Pauline Hanson, people are more than capable discerning that difference and more often than not they do so or fail to do so by choice.
Who are we protecting, what are we protecting them from, and how does it help?
Re: Was Greece the birthplace of humanity? - LP - 05-26-2017
(05-26-2017, 12:11 AM)DJC link Wrote:I took part in an archaeology department function at La Trobe last week and got to see incredibly accurate replicas of hominim/hominid skulls created by laser scanning and 3D printing; the application of cutting edge technology to incredibly ancient fossils :o
I guess the most surprising discoveries in recent times is that other Homo species were around at the same time as modern humans and there was some cohabitation with the DNA of those species persisting in our DNA!
Do you find any irony in the condemnation of the claims made in Flores, contrasted to the positive commentary around Rising Star and the subsequent Lesedi finds. There seems to be a lot of heavy politicisation of this science, subjectively I see more than I have noticed in other disciplines.
Do you think the race to publish is damaging the research, sensational claims now seem to be a requirement of publication?
Re: Was Greece the birthplace of humanity? - cookie2 - 05-26-2017
We need to agree on a definition of "race" before we can start talking about "racism".
However, having said that, I don't like to hear discriminatory or condescending remarks being made about other groupings of people for just being a member of that grouping or ascribing faults or negative characteristics based on that - except supporters of certain other AFL clubs of course.
Re: Was Greece the birthplace of humanity? - LP - 05-26-2017
(05-26-2017, 01:05 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:We need to agree on a definition of "race" before we can start talking about "racism".
Well of course the accepted understanding of the term racism doesn't just cover race, that is being too literal. I think we have discussed this on the forum once before and playing the devils advocate I raised that very question.
Do we need a term other than racism to describe these other acts or perceptions?
Is the term racism too broadly applied?
Re: Was Greece the birthplace of humanity? - Thryleon - 05-26-2017
(05-26-2017, 12:55 AM)LP link Wrote:I have seen too many individuals labeled racist or discriminatory for purposes of political or personal gain that I will forever remain heavily skeptical. I'm especially skeptical when I see assertions of racism used to influence the arts or political commentary, it goes against free speech.
There is a significant difference between GTC's obviously light-hearted comments and the likes of Pauline Hanson, people are more than capable discerning that difference and more often than not they do so or fail to do so by choice.
Who are we protecting, what are we protecting them from, and how does it help?
Its really simple LP.
The litmus test, on any argument to do with racism, is how this would make someone feel about the comment if it was the first time they had heard it?
Mine is straight to anger, but over the years I have been conditioned to accept this and find that the next generation should not be put through as much. Not because I should, or because its right, but due to it being common place.
Thats not a reason for this stuff to continue. It was once common for people to own slaves. It was also once common for men to beat their wives. Likewise, sometimes things that are uncommon should become more common. I.e. Women getting equal treatment.
Calling someone a spastic or a retard is out.
Calling someone a spear chucker is out.
Using a racial group as the butt of a joke to insinuate that "we are better than you" based purely on ethnic group is out even if that is a "harmless joke".
Perhaps I am a little more sensitive to this because a lot of people from my ethnic background at my demographic have started raising families of their own, and my wife and I are starting that discussion/attempt ourselves, and Ive decided that "the standard I walk past is the standard Im willing to accept" and this means a world, where my little ones wont be made fun of because they are Greek/Portuguese Australians(when we are fortunate to have our own).
GIC only meant it to be some light hearted fun, but after I called him out on it, you chimed in with your own comment, and I only see further comments as an attempt to backpedal somewhat.
If you dont like the term racism, how does casual bigotry sound instead?? Label changed, same outcome.
Re: Was Greece the birthplace of humanity? - Baggers - 05-26-2017
I thought the birthplace of humanity was another planet about 14.6 light years away?
Re: Was Greece the birthplace of humanity? - PaulP - 05-26-2017
There needs to be a relationship in place between the joker and the person/audience where the audience, for whatever reason, feels secure that the jokes are genuinely intended for light amusement and not as a slur. Context and relationship are very important. A stand up comic can get away with jokes that none of us ever could for this very reason.
It's part of the complexity of humanity that the same joke, can be seen as funny or racist, depending on the factors above. That's not hypocrisy, that's not double standards.