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Re: Tramps Like Us - PaulP - 02-07-2017
We've all woken up the morning after the night before, realizing that what seemed like a good idea at the time, isn't really that now.
Whatever drunken fervor took hold of the American people, whatever motivation they had, the spell will soon wear off. Or to borrow a snippet from Churchill, "tomorrow I shall be sober."
Voting for Trump simply to stick it to the East Coast Elites is the height of stupidity. I thought Hilary Clinton was ordinary, but her position on just about any topic I can think of was better than Trump's.
Re: Tramps Like Us - Thryleon - 02-07-2017
(02-07-2017, 12:05 AM)PaulP link Wrote:We've all woken up the morning after the night before, realizing that what seemed like a good idea at the time, isn't really that now.
Whatever drunken fervor took hold of the American people, whatever motivation they had, the spell will soon wear off. Or to borrow a snippet from Churchill, "tomorrow I shall be sober."
Voting for Trump simply to stick it to the East Coast Elites is the height of stupidity. I thought Hilary Clinton was ordinary, but her position on just about any topic I can think of was better than Trump's.
Why??
I see lots of hysteria, but not much of substance actually occurring at the minute.
Re: Tramps Like Us - crazyjoedevolamk11 - 02-07-2017
(02-06-2017, 09:03 AM)Bear link Wrote:Hanging Rock... first time.Have a great time mate, you won't be disappointed I reckon, one of the best live acts ever, and set list is never the same, so you never know what you'll get:-) About an hour and a bit into the AAMI Park show in 2014, Bruce steps up and says "we're going to play Born in the USA from start to finish" and they did...things like that are what make Springsteen & the E Street Band my favs
I'm excited.
Re: Tramps Like Us - DJC - 02-07-2017
(02-06-2017, 08:42 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:The American people were sick of mega rich celebrities telling them who to vote for hence why Trump is in power.
I'm not sure whether you're having a lend of us MBB but isn't Trump a mega rich celebrity?
Re: Tramps Like Us - PaulP - 02-07-2017
(02-07-2017, 08:01 AM)DJC link Wrote:I'm not sure whether you're having a lend of us MBB but isn't Trump a mega rich celebrity?
The yanks are sick of mega rich celebrities telling them who to vote for. They're not sick of voting them into power. Or should I say, they're not sick of a system where someone with less actual votes can win office.
Re: Tramps Like Us - Lods - 02-07-2017
(02-07-2017, 09:30 AM)PaulP link Wrote:The yanks are sick of mega rich celebrities telling them who to vote for. They're not sick of voting them into power. Or should I say, they're not sick of a system where someone with less actual votes can win office.
You can knock Trump for a multitude of things (and we'll continue to do so) but one thing you cant get him and his team on is election strategy
More often than not the electoral college system will produce a President with the greatest number of popular votes as well as the electoral college votes.
This was a bit of an anomaly.
It's only happened a handful of times (four or five in history)....but that was the system and everyone knew it.
Campaigning would have been different with a different system.
Much was made of the Democrats ground game before the election.
They were going to win because they were much better organised at local levels, while the Republicans were a divided rabble.
In the end the reverse happened and the Trump camp "done them like a dinner"
In the final days Trump bounced around the key states and managed to lock them away.
Complacency and a lack of preparation will nearly always get you in the end.
Re: Tramps Like Us - PaulP - 02-07-2017
Lods. The system is dopey and regressive, and I would think that even if Bernie Sanders was elected Prez.
If "democracy" means anything, it means majority rules. One vote should count as one vote, at least at the primary level.
Re: Tramps Like Us - Lods - 02-07-2017
(02-07-2017, 10:04 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Lods. The system is dopey and regressive, and I would think that even if Bernie Sanders was elected Prez.
If "democracy" means anything, it means majority rules. One vote should count as one vote, at least at the primary level.
Doesn't really matter what the system is that's the one you play by.
The thing about the USA is that you get much more diversity across the different states in terms of values and attitudes.
I go to Victoria and I've just got to make sure I ask for a potato cake when I want a scallop. ;D
Life in New York would be very different from life in Mississippi. Life in Montana different from life in Florida. Life in Alaska different from life in Hawaii....I suspect they don't want California deciding every President...In that respect the electoral college system works pretty well in providing a balanced (or in this case unbalanced) candidate.
If Trump had won the popular vote and not the electoral college I'm sure his supporters would be just as critical...I just wonder whether the independent observer would be though.
Four times in over two hundred years the candidate with the popular vote has not won the electoral college.....four times!
Hardly something to get too worked up about.
Hardly a flawed system.
Re: Tramps Like Us - PaulP - 02-07-2017
I'm not critical of the system because I don't like the victor, I'm critical of the system full stop. The diversity that you refer to would be more easily dealt with on a political level if voting was compulsory and if one vote counted as such.
Re: Tramps Like Us - Lods - 02-07-2017
(02-07-2017, 10:58 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I'm not critical of the system because I don't like the victor, I'm critical of the system full stop. The diversity that you refer to would be more easily dealt with on a political level if voting was compulsory and if one vote counted as such.
No it wouldn't
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