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Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - BlueAvenger - 01-20-2017
How people like this are allowed to walk around with the general public really astounds me. I've been trying not to read about it as i heard a young child was killed at the hands of this drug-induced, psychotic lunatic and i can honestly say my stomach is churning right now.
Those poor families.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - Gointocarlton - 01-20-2017
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/killer-driver-highlighted-how-susceptible-city-is-to-attack-20170120-gtvr5a.html
In most jurisdictions he wouldn't have been given a second chance. He was shown more compassion than he gave the strangers he attacked in a few minutes of vile madness.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - LP - 01-20-2017
(01-20-2017, 06:18 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:My office is in the CBD blocks away from the scene, suffice to say it was utter pandemonium. Coppers could have done us all a favour and put one between the scum bags eyes.
Trouble is they get drawn and quartered if they open fire without due cause, and the way the legal eagles have twisted the rights of the criminal that basically comes after the event! Of course, how is shot first ask questions later balanced!
My son works in the CBD off Williams St, my elderly mother in law was at home and saw this story unfold in real time on the TV. She nearly collapsed, the media have a lot to answer for, it's the cameras and the internet that promotes this sort of act.
To think this nutter was in his car harassing reporters who were at the scene of his earlier alleged stabbing murder of his brother. Then they filmed him doing doughnuts in the very middle of Melbourne surrounded by police officers and pedestrians. Yet the police cannot act with force despite the fact his actions were already endangering the public.
But if you want to know were all this started, we need to go back to privatisation and the closure of mental health facilities during the Kennett government era. People like this use to be in the asylums for their own and everyone else's protection. I agree they have rights, but the rest of the population does as well! Closing the asylums and putting dangerous mentally ill individuals into community care has let the genie out of the box.
Police worry about radicals, but the rest of us should fear the copy cat nutters!
As for the politicians fixing the problem, with ar5ewipes like this in charge, what hope do we have?
Quote:As news began to break of the attack that has already claimed three lives, Senator Leyonhjelm took to twitter in response to a Herald Sun update to say: “Probably one of those semi-automatic assault cars.”Think about those 364 "Likes", 364 more potential nutters with guns or cars!
Follow David Leyonhjelm ✔ @DavidLeyonhjelm
Probably one of those semi-automatic assault cars.
1:54 PM - 20 Jan 2017
205 Retweets 364 likes
The comment drew almost universal condemnation, with many social media users criticising the politician for the tasteless remark.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - shawny - 01-20-2017
Why is our legal system so soft and inadequate?
Regardless of how many poor innocent citizens die as a result of letting these scumbags back into society YET those directly responsible are never ever held accountable and protected. Its a bloody joke!
I don't get it - Its pretty obviously 99% of voters would support much tougher bail conditions with some sort of accountability to the judge who allows these high risk offenders out and then re offends.
Why doesn't it change????
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - kruddler - 01-21-2017
Are we not running out of space to put criminals? Hence why more get released than should.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - DJC - 01-21-2017
(01-21-2017, 01:03 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Are we not running out of space to put criminals? Hence why more get released than should.
And it costs a lot of money to keep someone in gaol!
Our justice system is based on the principle of innocent until proven guilty and courts have to be satisfied that there is a good reason to incarcerate someone before their guilt is proven. I understand that the bloke responsible for the carnage has domestic violence charges pending and, while I would have locked him up and thrown away the key, magistrates have to be more even-handed.
The police couldn't have known what was going to happen earlier in the day when they were trying to apprehend the bloke or even when he was doing donuts outside Flinders Street Station. However, I remember an incident where two police officers shot a barking Bull Terrier in the back of a ute parked in the CBD several years ago. There was an outcry, and quite rightly too. Apart from the lunatic fringe, I suspect that there would have been no outcry if the police had been able to "neutralise" the driver once the threat he posed was realised. A difficult decision to take and one that I'm glad I have never had to make.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - Lods - 01-21-2017
I'm not sure how the system operates in Victoria.
My experience is With Juvenile Justice in NSW.
One of our big problems in recent years has been that there have been limited facilities for those with mental health issues,
As a result many of these have been funneled into the Justice system.
This guy is pretty obviously mentally disturbed...he shouldn't have been on the streets.
Was the fact that he was due to a lack of alternative facilities.
We can rail against him (rightly so...he's a murderer) but he's likely to play the mental health issue and there is a fair chance he'll do that successfully.
What that means in terms of his (long period) of incarceration (where and how long) is unknown
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - LoveNavy - 01-21-2017
A very sad day for the country.
I haven't gone in search of details of this incident just yet. In fact part of me doesn't want to acknowledge how extremely vulnerable we citizens are. Not only from terrorists but from our countrymen, as insane as that sounds.
If this heartless act was fuelled by drugs (and I don't know), I imagine the law will be applied accordingly.
It's tragic for affected families and for us all.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - Gointocarlton - 01-21-2017
(01-21-2017, 07:00 AM)DJC link Wrote:And it costs a lot of money to keep someone in gaol!He's is a violent thug and ice addict who police knew would do harm to himself and others but a magistrate granted bail despite their protests. Congratulations judge, hope you are sleeping easy tonight. I hope some good can come of the terrible situation in the form of tougher bail laws. Build more jails/facilities, spend less on sporting events.
Our justice system is based on the principle of innocent until proven guilty and courts have to be satisfied that there is a good reason to incarcerate someone before their guilt is proven. I understand that the bloke responsible for the carnage has domestic violence charges pending and, while I would have locked him up and thrown away the key, magistrates have to be more even-handed.
The police couldn't have known what was going to happen earlier in the day when they were trying to apprehend the bloke or even when he was doing donuts outside Flinders Street Station. However, I remember an incident where two police officers shot a barking Bull Terrier in the back of a ute parked in the CBD several years ago. There was an outcry, and quite rightly too. Apart from the lunatic fringe, I suspect that there would have been no outcry if the police had been able to "neutralise" the driver once the threat he posed was realised. A difficult decision to take and one that I'm glad I have never had to make.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - maxm68 - 01-21-2017
(01-20-2017, 06:18 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:My office is in the CBD blocks away from the scene, suffice to say it was utter pandemonium. Coppers could have done us all a favour and put one between the scum bags eyes.
Exactly !! - he should have been stopped before this shit happened ...
From Derryn Hinch on Twitter......
I’m told pursuing police had 7 chances to ram the Bourke Street killer and were denied permission.
The Cops could've stopped him but weren't allowed ? they were watching him doing circles out front of Flinders st station.. ?