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Re: Loyalty - Gointocarlton - 10-03-2016
(10-03-2016, 09:48 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Interesting post Lods.Well said Proff
I've stuck fat with this club for close to 50 years. I'd hate to think how much I have invested emotionally in this club.
Then we have parasites like Henderson and Yarran not even trying for a year, and a bloke like Gibbs coming out and admitting that for the greater part of his career he was happy just playing AFL. Then there are the players sulking around pretending to put in when we all know they aren't.
If some of the players hurt as much as we do they might see beyond the dollars and see that this club and its success or otherwise means a damn lot to some of us out there, so if you want to p!ss off and chase money and "success" at say Norf, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
Re: Loyalty - ElwoodBlues1 - 10-03-2016
(10-03-2016, 09:51 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:Great post.
Some of those efforts in 2015 disrespected the club and jumper
x3
Re: Loyalty - dodge - 10-03-2016
I think that for plenty of players footy is their job, they don't really care where they play.
There is probably a difference as well when the club decides that a player is to go vs a player telling the club they don't want to be there
Loyalty is mainly a notion for fans and older ones at that as AFL becomes more about the $$ than anything else.
Re: Loyalty - cookie2 - 10-04-2016
(10-03-2016, 11:38 AM)dodge link Wrote:I think that for plenty of players footy is their job, they don't really care where they play.
There is probably a difference as well when the club decides that a player is to go vs a player telling the club they don't want to be there
Loyalty is mainly a notion for fans and older ones at that as AFL becomes more about the $$ than anything else.
Loyalty works when the relationship is perceived, by both parties, to be in the best interests of both parties. When that perception fades then so does loyalty.
Re: Loyalty - Thryleon - 10-04-2016
(10-03-2016, 11:38 AM)dodge link Wrote:I think that for plenty of players footy is their job, they don't really care where they play.
There is probably a difference as well when the club decides that a player is to go vs a player telling the club they don't want to be there
Loyalty is mainly a notion for fans and older ones at that as AFL becomes more about the $$ than anything else.
I think, when trying to understand this thought process the best way to do it, is to look at it in the context of your regular worker.
Some people, have a lot of pride in themselves, and will flourish in any environment because they want to prove their worth but the second they find a better offer they walk out the door (this sounds too familiar).
Some people, will become stale in the same environment for too long because they are not developed as people. The second you start to challenge them to grow as workers be it, a change in role, more responsibility, or even just understanding how they fit into the bigger picture of achievement, it can reinvigorate them as workers. (This again sounds too familiar).
Others no matter what you do for them, see it as a pay packet, will put in the minimum requirement and move on. (This might apply to a few at our club across the journey. Hopefully we are weeding out the last of them).
Apply that context to footy players, and then you have an accurate picture of where our football club has really failed over the last 15 years.
This is why we need to get better at developing people.
This is why we need to get better at treating people fairly and not creating scapegoats here there and everywhere as it breeds resentment.
This is why we need to get better at setting standards.
I know for a while there proffesionally, I was being disrespected for my contribution, and wasnt encouraged to learn, train and gain new skills. My performance suffered accordingly. Back to the minimum effort required to get the job done.
That changed with a shift in management initiative, and it can stem from something small. I.e. I was sent on a one week course in something semi relevant to my job, but would improve my employment prospect = an increase in productivity, commitment to the cause, and putting in additional hours without being asked for it, and the only thing that shifted was how my employer made me feel about working for them.
If we can zero in on this aspect of the club and get that going well, we will start to improve in ways we hadnt even considered.
For the record, Bolton (to a lesser extent Steven Trigg) looks to be the people who understand the above and are working on fixing it.
Re: Loyalty - Dave - 10-04-2016
I'm wondering if club's loyalty will stay with the AFL.
Given draft concessions, rule changes, academies/boundaries, inconsistencies with match review panels, perceived issues with compensation for free agency, stupid fixtures, drug cheats keeping Brownlow medals etc... I am sure it won't be long until someone gets sick of it and creates a new league.
If Carlton left the AFL and joined a new league, would you follow?
My loyalty is with the Blues!
Re: Loyalty - laj - 10-04-2016
(10-03-2016, 09:48 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Interesting post Lods.
I've stuck fat with this club for close to 50 years. I'd hate to think how much I have invested emotionally in this club.
Then we have parasites like Henderson and Yarran not even trying for a year, and a bloke like Gibbs coming out and admitting that for the greater part of his career he was happy just playing AFL. Then there are the players sulking around pretending to put in when we all know they aren't.
If some of the players hurt as much as we do they might see beyond the dollars and see that this club and its success or otherwise means a damn lot to some of us out there, so if you want to p!ss off and chase money and "success" at say Norf, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
First thing we need to do is create a good culture so we don't have issues like we did with Hendo and Yarran or Gibbs saying he was just happy playing in the AFL. A good culture would see these guys playing their hearts out for us. We need a side that has a great in-field culture, would die for each other, die for a great coach and the club. You have that and you're surprised how well you do and how players would want to stay, money or not. Bulldogs just showed that over the finals series and in the end won a flag despite not having that great a list. To create loyalty you need to create the right environment where few want to leave.
They'll always be some who may leave still if they get a great offer. No-on can blame Buddy and Ablett leaving for the offers they got. Job security comes into things as much as as any other workplace but often in the right environment most will want to stay.
Re: Loyalty - Amers - 10-04-2016
(10-04-2016, 01:21 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Loyalty works when the relationship is perceived, by both parties, to be in the best interests of both parties. When that perception fades then so does loyalty.
Good point Cookie.
Re: Loyalty - malo - 10-05-2016
(10-04-2016, 02:55 AM)Dave link Wrote:I'm wondering if club's loyalty will stay with the AFL.
Given draft concessions, rule changes, academies/boundaries, inconsistencies with match review panels, perceived issues with compensation for free agency, stupid fixtures, drug cheats keeping Brownlow medals etc... I am sure it won't be long until someone gets sick of it and creates a new league.
If Carlton left the AFL and joined a new league, would you follow?
My loyalty is with the Blues!
I would not be following AFL now if it weren't for Carlton. If they left......or as looked possible a few years ago, were dissolved, AFL wouldn't exist for me.
Re: Loyalty - cookie2 - 10-05-2016
(10-05-2016, 04:42 AM)malo link Wrote:I would not be following AFL now if it weren't for Carlton. If they left......or as looked possible a few years ago, were dissolved, AFL wouldn't exist for me.
I think I would feel pretty much the same. Maybe I'd watch games on TV but I certainly wouldn't bother to attend live games.