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Re: For Discussion - cookie2 - 12-15-2015
If we can get our senior guys all available and firing and we have been successful in choosing both our trades and one or two drafts, then we can be a lot more competitive next year. That sharper edge should breed more confidence in our guys that hopefully can lead to a few good wins.
We will need some luck too of course but if we can avoid too many injuries I'm hopeful of a much better year that leaves us with brighter hopes for the future beyond that.
It's essential we primarily strive to build a very confident, competitive and solid team environment in which we can develop our youth. I'm sure BB is the right man to do that.
Re: For Discussion - Vivian - 12-15-2015
Sad to say we should be wooden spoon favourites. We lost our best player this year, and teams will work out how to nulify Cripps. He is going to get so much attention in 2016 from scraggers. Hopefully he is working on his kicking so he can be dangerous around goals as that will allow him to shake tags.
I'm optimistic we could get 5 or 6 wins. But with so many new players, and an average established core we are going to take some hammerings. Injuries as alway will make a difference. Having Kruezer and Thomas play 15 odd games each will make a big difference.
Its amazing how every year we hope/anticipate the first year players will get a few games and do well. We hear about some 18 year olds being 'ready'. No they are not. If Silvangni gets a game in 2016 we will be in serious strife. If any of the first year players get more than 1 or 2 games we will have had a bad injury toll. We really want to see the likes of Boekhorst getting 10 or so decent games with 5 or 6 in a row toward the end of the season. Rowe to have been displaced by KJ by the end of the year. That would show good improvement. A strong showing by the NBs is vital to build a base for the longer term.
And a miracle win against Hawthorn in Launceston.
Re: For Discussion - Gointocarlton - 12-15-2015
@ Vivian - I have no concerns about taggers on Cripps. In fact I wish them luck because they are gonna need it in spades. He will dispatch them with ease, too big and strong and his fitness is slowly becoming elite. He will be one of those midfield machines you cant stop. He is just a dead set bull.
Go Blues.
Re: For Discussion - Gointocarlton - 12-15-2015
(12-15-2015, 09:29 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Players like Thomas, Byrne, Sheehan, Graham were all unavailable for most of the season.Imagine if we could full, uninterrupted preseasons and then season proper from the blokes in that list plus Kruze and Gibbs. There will be some serious competition for spots. If the injury gods smile upon us, we could surprise a few people.
Re: For Discussion - LordLucifer - 12-15-2015
We will finish 17th-18th next year, it would be a miracle to get any higher than that based on the list we are building. Which teams will we finish higher than should be the question.
Some of the new draftees will be given games so they get a taste of what it is like at senior level but only if they warrant the selection.
Four games ?? Might not win that many actually.
The win/loss column in 2016 doesn't worry me one iota, its the gradual development of the players both individually & collectively that has me seriously interested.
2018 is when we will start to push for finals.
Re: For Discussion - Juddkreuzer - 12-15-2015
(12-15-2015, 12:47 PM)TheSheik link Wrote:We will finish 17th-18th next year, it would be a miracle to get any higher than that based on the list we are building. Which teams will we finish higher than should be the question.
Some of the new draftees will be given games so they get a taste of what it is like at senior level but only if they warrant the selection.
Four games ?? Might not win that many actually.
The win/loss column in 2016 doesn't worry me one iota, its the gradual development of the players both individually & collectively that has me seriously interested.
2018 is when we will start to push for finals.
I'm with you Sheik.
We are all riding the wave of optimism following the SOS/Bolts renaissance, but the reality is that it will take several seasons before it bears fruit.
Re: For Discussion - Lods - 12-15-2015
I'm the opposite.
If we're looking at 17-18 it means we're looking at a similar season to this year.
Yet we won't have the coaching debacle and uncertainty that plagued our first half of the year.
We won't have board and admin pushing the rebuild message after round two and sucking the life out of the place.
We won't have the half-hearted performances of some senior players that must have affected the players around them.
They're gone...and hopefully so has any division in the playing ranks.
We (hopefully) won't be playing the last half of the year with an eye to draft Pick 1.
Bolton will want to establish his credentials...he'll be looking for development... but he'll also be looking for as many wins as possible.
We're all pretty much aware that for the long term development it wouldn't hurt to have another low finish next year.
The problem with that is that if we do finish 17th or 18th you won't see a noticeable improvement in the team, their attitude or their play.
It just doesn't work that way.
We'll look very average.
...and as much as people declare that they're prepared to be patient, a 17th or 18th position will have one or more of the board, admin, coach and recruiting personnel under pressure.
Re: For Discussion - flyboy77 - 12-15-2015
Someone look at the Doggies' 2015 list and explain how the made the 8 - and almost won a final?
Is that list better than ours?
I think not.
Re: For Discussion - Raydan - 12-15-2015
(12-15-2015, 01:40 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Someone look at the Doggies' 2015 list and explain how the made the 8 - and almost won a final?
Is that list better than ours?
I think not.
Our list is not comparable to the Doggies 2015, more the Doggies 2012.
We still have a shallow midfield, lack pace around the ground, Lack kicking skills and lack defensive pressure. Bolton will not come in and fix this all in one year. Our draftees need 3-5 years, our GWS boys are still a question mark due to injury and no playing time. Kerridge was probably our best experienced player pick up and he could barely get a game for Adelaide last season.
I doubt we will win more than 5 games and wooden spoon is still a very real probability. In the development of the side it doesn't matter, we need another 2-3 drafts of top line talent obtained by finishing bottom 4 then we start to rise. Happened to Bulldogs, Saints, Port, West Coast.... if we continue to have off seasons like 2015 then there is no reason we will not do the same.
We were asked to be patient, we asked for no quick fixes, so why have a go at an article that is probably right and fits in with the clubs plan?
Re: For Discussion - Lods - 12-15-2015
(12-15-2015, 07:52 PM)Raydan link Wrote:We were asked to be patient, we asked for no quick fixes, so why have a go at an article that is probably right and fits in with the clubs plan?
If you accept the "no quick fix/patience" line then it's probably a bit rich to have a go at the club.
On the other hand if you feel it's more a line to lower expectations...then it's quite reasonable to expect a bit more.
The club has nothing to gain by talking up a rapid improvement if it can convince people to sign on with the promise of a steady calculated rebuild.
Folk are signing up anyway...and many of those would be signing because they see some positive signs.
They don't think it will take as long as has been suggested.
It suits the club to say "it will take time".
On the other hand produce an 8-12 ladder finish next year and it can be 'pats on the back' all around and a "look how well we've done".
(That's actually what I'm expecting and I suspect it's where the club's real target is.)
We finished with the spoon...Is that a real indication of our ability?
Well that's where we finished I guess.
But we had so much off-field crap last year and it would have created a great deal of uncertainty among the playing group.
We had players who were already ''elsewhere'' and playing accordingly.
...and we had injuries to key players as indicated by Crash here..
(12-15-2015, 10:48 AM)crashlander link Wrote:However, having Gibbs, Thomas, Byrne, Sheehan, Kreuzer, Murphy and Graham in and contributing, where Yarran, Henderson and Menzel did not or could not, will make us more competitive.
I do not expect miracles, but if we can keep something like our best 20 odd on the field, we will win games against 'good' sides. And that is not considering any reasonable contributions from our newbies.
For me the real problem is our attack.
We had few, if any functioning forwards for much of the year.
Over the last three years the number of goals kicked has been...
2013-304
2014-276
2015-219
Down nearly 100 goals in 3 seasons!
(We all know where they've gone)...but an attack that scores only 219 goals :
That's our worst ever under the 22 game a year system (since 1967).
Fix that one area alone with a few contributors and you're well on the way to solving a big part of our problems.