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Re: Culture - MosquitoFleet - 09-14-2015
Carltons cultural problem is driven by its constitution
When you have board directors that have a guaranteed 12 years of sitting on the board things turn too slowly. ..we have directors like gleeson who are still on the board since pagans days...
Re: Culture - madbluboy - 09-14-2015
(09-14-2015, 10:09 AM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:The house the Mick built. ????
Fevola, Kennedy snd Jacobs.
Re: Culture - laj - 09-14-2015
(09-14-2015, 11:31 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Onfield culture is on the mend I reckon, dickheads are being weeded out, talent like Cripps needs to be brought in. SOS will sort this out. Its the off field culture that needs the most work and worries me the most. Trigg is trying but I fear he will fall victim to the toxic environment that is the CFC Board. We shall see.
On field culture is at it's lowest ebb. We get rid of so-called bad boys, nothing's changed, probably got worse, then, because we got rid of them we can't win a game. Sometimes the theory that says "nice guys come last", does ring true. All no good if you can't win games of footy. The only reason we are here
Re: Culture - DJC - 09-14-2015
(09-14-2015, 12:18 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:Fevola, Kennedy snd Jacobs.
I worry about you sometimes MBB :
Re: Culture - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-14-2015
Culture is overated....West Coast were as high as kites when they were successful, Malthouse allowed Shaw, Didak and the ratpack to do what they wanted as long as they won games....
Winning games builds culture....having a list of choir boys wont win you a premiership, having a few characters who live on the edge are needed to balance up the introverts as long as your characters are not extreme serial offenders...you dont go recruiting Harley Bennell for example..
Re: Culture - Vivian - 09-14-2015
Organisational culture is a concept that is easily misused and can mean different things to different folk.
Given its part of my trade, there can be a tendancy to see culture, if it is able to be identified, as the problem and address it head on. I would prefer to see culture as the set of behaviours and preferences that staff, and thus an organisation tend to display, especially under pressure.
Culture is thus more a symptom or a consequence of these behaviours. Addressing such a culture, if it is considered a problem is thus better undertaken by attempting to adjust work practices and behaviours of staff, setting different expectations and so forth.
In short, it is hard, and changing behaviours, especially under pressure is enormously difficult, which is why it often leads to sackings, resignations and new people brought in.
But what will fail is an attempt by senior management to unequivocally state that culture has to change and then expect people to understand what it means for them. It is day to day work practices, style and manner that has to change, and this can only realistically come from the top.
For a professional sporting team, a culture of highly driven individuals has to be enmeshed with a culture of team work. This is tricky, and requires the right mix of personalities. The company leading teams has made plenty of coin flogging their wares to AFL clubs, but as far as i can tell their model is pretty similar to what many in organisational development have been doing for years. It's in essence establishing a set of desirable principles for an organisation, translating these to day to day work practices (this typically falls on middle management and is critical) and holding each other accountable for this. Rinse and repeat.
Good things can grow out of this, but it takes great commitment over time. Carlton have lacked this across many parts of its organisation, and the worse it gets (as demonstrated by results), the more drastic the means to address it, and the greater the risks change entails.
I have been pleasantly surprised by many of the changes made in the past few months at CFC. Whether they yield good results is unknown, but they are trying, which is all they can do.
Re: Culture - PassIt2Carrots - 09-14-2015
(09-14-2015, 01:01 PM)DJC link Wrote:I worry about you sometimes MBB :
It's his defence mechanism albeit a very poor one. He's probably still stinging a little from the weekend as well
Re: Culture - LP - 09-14-2015
I think this concept of club culture teeters precariously. It's the wedge on a bridge's foundation stone holding up the span that takes you from tragedy to success. Remove one tiny little piece and the road to success is gone, Carlton love removing stones.
As Vivian states, building culture comes form the top, and it's dead easy to destroy from the top as well. One mixed message, one sign of blame or a double standard and it's over, the structure will collapse. MM appeared to be a master demolitions expert, but he wasn't alone in this regard.
The real question might be, is there a more durable solution? Is planned obsolescence a better solution?
For example, it will be very interesting to see what happens with the Dawks next weekend, if they have another implosion one might say that Carlton has pulled out one of their stones!
Re: Culture - ItsOurTime - 09-15-2015
Culture is what you blame when you have no idea what's wrong. It's the equivalent of saying our problem is we don't make enough money.
Are our players not coming to training?
Are they purposely screwing up their recovery?
Are they ignoring their match day requirements?
Or do we think we happen to run the perfect organisation and we have the worst luck in the word in picking guys who can't get with it?
Far easier to say culture, blame those who are where the problem surfaces thann to find the root cause.
Re: Culture - Pratty - 09-15-2015
(09-14-2015, 01:43 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Culture is overated....West Coast were as high as kites when they were successful, Malthouse allowed Shaw, Didak and the ratpack to do what they wanted as long as they won games....
Winning games builds culture....having a list of choir boys wont win you a premiership, having a few characters who live on the edge are needed to balance up the introverts as long as your characters are not extreme serial offenders...you dont go recruiting Harley Bennell for example..
Well said!