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Re: Jarryd Hayne - kruddler - 09-05-2015
(09-04-2015, 03:29 PM)Amers link Wrote:Packers fan here too, I disagree with your injury philosophy, if your best players don't get a run in the pre-season, they start the season lacking match fitness, it could cost you early wins in the season proper. Pre-season games exist for a reason, clubs need to make the best use of them that they can.
Back to the Packers, I'm excited to see what Myles White and Jeff Janis can bring with Jordy out for the season. Also how good has Hundley been as a rookie QB?!! Bring on the Bears next week !!
Adrian Peterson never plays in the pre-season. Hasn't stopped him performing from the first game of the year.
Phil Loadholt (Vikings RT) did his achillies in the second snap PS1. Gone for the year.
They don't play, the don't get injured.
Re: Jarryd Hayne - jeza - 09-05-2015
(09-04-2015, 12:06 PM)kruddler link Wrote:No, it's not.
Punt returners are traditionally either wide receivers, running backs or cornerbacks. They are the fastest blokes in the squad and good at evading tacklers. Every single punt returner or kick returner has an actual position on the depth chart besides 'punt/kick returner'. 2 years ago the vikings (my team) had the best kick returner (Patterson - WR) and punt returner (Sherels - CB) in the league. They also got game time in their actual positions (as listed).
Leading the stats in the pre-season means less than squat. Teams play their 1st string players (less any superstars, ala Adrian Peterson, 2013 MVP who does not play a single second)...then they play their second string players....then they play their 3rd string players....and if they have them, 4th stringers. Everyone gets a go. Usually, the 2nd stringers get most playing time.
He is a second stringer at best and is playing against other second stringers. His offensive line is creating huge holes for him to run through, so all he has to do is run. Good running backs need to work out where and when to run when there are no holes to run into. Great running backs create their own holes.
Look, i've got nothing against the bloke, but just trying to put things in perspective.
To be clear - I wasn't saying that this meant he'd be a certain starter. Just that the article was saying he'd have to be a chance to make the squad on those numbers.
Re: Jarryd Hayne - Lods - 09-05-2015
Well I guess some of us who don't have an NFL team have one now.
Re: Jarryd Hayne - kruddler - 09-05-2015
(09-05-2015, 09:15 PM)Lods link Wrote:Well I guess some of us who don't have an NFL team have one now.
He's officially made the final cut and is on the 53 man roster.
Let it be known that unlike AFL, he can be cut at any time from here on in, including during the season.
Re: Jarryd Hayne - Mav - 09-06-2015
True, but his position is somewhat more secure as he's a depth player. Punters and kickers aren't - teams usually only have 1 on the list of each. The moment a punter or kicker has a shocker, he might be cut and replaced by the best unlisted punter or kicker because they can't just go to the next guy on the depth chart. As a punt returner/part-time tail back or receiver, he can sit there waiting for an injury in one of those positions. It's really only if he gets an early opportunity and it ends in a debacle that he'd have to worry about being cut.
Re: Jarryd Hayne - kruddler - 09-06-2015
Yeah, but there would be a handful of players on the list that can and will return kicks as well. So he's far from irreplaceable in that regard.
All he has to do is fumble a few returns and questions will be asked.
If the niners like someone on the free agency list and need to cut someone to get him, they might look in Haynes direction if he has fumbled the ball a couple of times.
Re: Jarryd Hayne - Mav - 09-06-2015
But that's the difference between punters/kickers and depth players. The punter and kicker will be thrown in the deep end from the very start. They will therefore have the opportunity to fail early. If they do, they're out. But a depth player may not have any opportunity at all for quite a while. While that means he won't have the chance to impress, he also has no chance to embarrass himself. It's not as though they have the ability to show their form in the 2nds and practice sessions would rarely have the sort of full-body-contact which might expose cracks in the psyche. Even in practice sessions, the depth players would be starved of chances to be involved in snaps.
I guess that he may be given a few plays if there are some early blowout games but in the first half of the year the starters will be given priority.
Re: Jarryd Hayne - mateinone - 09-06-2015
If Hayne is cut, he is quite likely to get another opportunity elsewhere now. There is a belief that he can play not just in San Francisco, but across the country. He could still fail, of course and he is very likely a long way from starting games, but I would think he would get at least a couple of seasons be it at the 49ers or elsewhere.
Re: Jarryd Hayne - jeza - 09-06-2015
Will be really interesting to see him get a crack at the real deal.
If he does well it will have a massive knock-on impact on NRL in particular.
Re: Jarryd Hayne - DJC - 09-06-2015
I'm not all that familiar with gridiron but it seems pretty clear that Hayne has made the transition very well, including learning many complicated plays. In addition, he has brought some attitude and is becoming a bit of a crowd favourite.
You have to admire the young man for giving up his day job to pursue a dream and it seems that he will get there.
Finally, I am amused by the CSC folk who profess to follow and understand gridiron. Their assessments and pronouncements seem to be at odds with those of NFL experts. Of course, their views on AFL often seem wide of the mark too