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Re: Patrick Smith Blasts Carlton - Professer E - 07-27-2015
Ah, Mr Smith... another to join the long queue of kicking Carlton when we are essentially in ICU.
The bottom line is that even with our "best" side on the park we struggle to be competitive against the bulk of the other sides. I think Friday's result drove home to the AFL that there are other clubs that contribute in a serious way to the bottom line and the old adage "a strong Carlton is a strong competition" rings true. With the next TV rights deal coming up you can bet that more demonstrations of the segregated competition will not help procure the best deal for the AFL.
The interstate clubs (WA, SA) are money making machines... the others get propped up by the AFL from monies generated by the successful Melbourne clubs and having a traditional powerhouse in the cellar for an extended period really bites the bottom line.
After watching Melbourne score, and largely squander, concessions I can't see how we will get a priority pick but gees if any club ever needed one we do. Giving us a pick for Waite last year was an obvious means to assist and I reman staggered that this did not eventuate...
I think the anti-Carlton stance from the AFL has already waned a bit - how else did we score so many marquee Friday night timeslots? I await with interest to see if the position continues to soften as our on and off-field positions become increasingly parlous.
Re: Patrick Smith Blasts Carlton - madbluboy - 07-27-2015
Brisbane and Gold Coast were expected to finish much higher than us.
Re: Patrick Smith Blasts Carlton - Professer E - 07-27-2015
Yet they are talking concessions for both of them as finishing in the cellar is "bad for Qld football"... seriously, one mob drafted Christensen, Beams and Robinson and the other has had the wheels fall off through internal strife and their best player breaking down.... sheesh, gimme a break. Plus they have academies in skinny draft.... how much more????
Re: Patrick Smith Blasts Carlton - LP - 07-27-2015
(07-27-2015, 02:50 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Yet they are talking concessions for both of them as finishing in the cellar is "bad for Qld football"... seriously, one mob drafted Christensen, Beams and Robinson and the other has had the wheels fall off through internal strife and their best player breaking down.... sheesh, gimme a break. Plus they have academies in skinny draft.... how much more????
As for Smith, often his comments can be disregarded but I doubt he can be accused of deflecting attention from the Bumbers in this case. Smith has been quite outspoken about clearing the decks at EFC as well, and his Carlton comments are not far off the mark! Under MM we have disposed of bad boys who could play football in favor of a bunch of nice blokes with potential who fail to deliver.
The clubs he mentions have as big of a culture problem as Carlton, but Carlton has another problem.
Carlton reminds me of the state that English cricket was in before Marsh hardened them up. All tea and scones and no substance, now that Marsh is back in Oz English cricket has given the only bloke who pushed back(Pietersen) the kibosh because of team disunity. They are reverting to play nice and we won't be hurt mentality, let's be friends, in other words they are becoming road kill! Sound familiar?
Teams and clubs go through this cycle, you need the bad boys playing well, like England needed Tony Greig, Bob Willis, Ian Botham, Kevin Pietersen and Freddy Flintoff.
Carlton needed blokes like Robinson, Waite and Garlett because they are the way they are, but our club put them in the too hard basket and gave them the flick. If they also happen to be very good footballers like a Hodge and Lewis then even better!
In our glory days we had players like John Nicholls, Serg Silvagni, Rhys-Jones, Greg Williams, Wayne Johnston, Jim Buckley, Mark Maclure, etc., etc.. Cripps is the first player I have seen for sometime at Carlton with this nasty side, a desire to push back and hurt opponents when pushed! Graham shows some potential as well.
If you don't own a dog, you can't set them loose!
Re: Patrick Smith Blasts Carlton - MilkIt - 07-27-2015
I don't think Smith was far off the mark but who really gives a ship what he reckons. If Hawks win the flag again in a canter then the AFL needs to do something drastic regarding equalisation. If it means giving out priority picks then I won't say no.
Re: Patrick Smith Blasts Carlton - ItsOurTime - 07-27-2015
The problem is Melbourne was getting hammered worse than us for longer, asked for a PP and ggot knocked back.
Anyway, cat is out of the bag now, I expect some frightful smashings ahead now there is a whiff of PPs in the air. A couple more journos on our side would help. This is where Maguire would be gold as pres.
Re: Patrick Smith Blasts Carlton - MilkIt - 07-27-2015
(07-27-2015, 04:42 AM)ItsOurTime link Wrote:The problem is Melbourne was getting hammered worse than us for longer, asked for a PP and ggot knocked back.
Anyway, cat is out of the bag now, I expect some frightful smashings ahead now there is a whiff of PPs in the air. A couple more journos on our side would help. This is where Maguire would be gold as pres.
Melbourne were beating us in that period though.
I think the AFL will look at the outs we have at the moment and it'll get knocked back.
Re: Patrick Smith Blasts Carlton - MosquitoFleet - 07-27-2015
(07-27-2015, 04:26 AM)MilkIt link Wrote:I don't think Smith was far off the mark but who really gives a ship what he reckons. If Hawks win the flag again in a canter then the AFL needs to do something drastic regarding equalisation. If it means giving out priority picks then I won't say no.
Our club cannot survive on this basis....a culture of mediocrity
Re: Patrick Smith Blasts Carlton - Lods - 07-27-2015
I just don't think you can go from a finalist (albeit because of another club's penalty) to being "priority pick worthy" in two seasons.
That's not what priority picks are built for
Re: Patrick Smith Blasts Carlton - MilkIt - 07-27-2015
(07-27-2015, 08:07 AM)Lods link Wrote:I just don't think you can go from a finalist (albeit because of another club's penalty) to being "priority pick worthy" in two seasons.
That's not what priority picks are built for
Rules can be changed and new ones can be made for individual clubs. Look what they did to the Swans with their trade ban. It doesn't have to be called a "Priority Pick", it can be called "Compensation for James Frawley" or "Equalisation for Free Agents and Academy players going to the top clubs".
I don't want us to rely on this but we need something to undo all the damage that has been done. So I would like to see us apply to the AFL for a "Hughes & Rogers sympathy pick".