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Re: Carlton v Fremantle- Post Match - Brettie - 07-18-2015
(07-18-2015, 01:18 PM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:Simon White amazing effort I think he beat Fyfe tonight Fyfe had little to no influence on the game and White kicked a goal.
And there we have it......everyone bagging the crap out of White when he's having to play totally out of position opposed to key forwards, yet when he gets the chance to play his best position (a run-with negating role), we get to see that he actually can add to this team in a very positive way.....think back to round 1 & the job he did on Dusty Martin, got injured when playing on LeCras in round 2 & hasn't played that role again since his return from injury until tonight and BINGO - we have a winner!!!
Re: Carlton v Fremantle- Post Match - Mantis - 07-18-2015
White did well holding the Brownlow favourite away from any points in this game. White is far from our worst and maybe in our best when he is played in a role that suits him best. He isn't a key defender playing on a monster. Neither is Henderson. Hendo isn't a key defender or a key forward. Henderson needs to go for a pick. He is a wingman at best at the moment and I think he has his bags already packed to move on. Rowe is not a key forward. He is a defender. He needs to stay. Levi at the moment is not a ruck. He isn't a key forward. I am not sure what he is. I don't want to call him a liability. I really don't. However it is on the tip of my tongue.
I still can't see why we grabbed King Tutt. I also think without Wood in the side we are in trouble.
Where is Walker at the moment. Without Thomas, Judd, Armfield, and Yarran sleeping we have no real run. We gave Garlett away for free. Where is our run and carry going to come from. Sorry to load your shoulders up Barker, but you have little to work with at the moment. I feel sorry for you. I really do.
Re: Carlton v Fremantle- Post Match - SOS Rules - 07-18-2015
Our style of play did not allow us the chance to win tonight. We set up way too defensively. I got sick of seeing the ball kicked to Hendo with two or three blokes on him and not a crumber in sight. In fact we've been too defensive the last couple of weeks.
We're not taking the game on and seem to be playing in the Malthouse style again. We're boring to watch and still having holes picked in our defence with extra men in our defensive half. Lets get back to the run and gun approach of the Adelaide and Port Adelaide games and display the energy we had in those matches. Besides this the skills and decision making left a lot to be desired and Everitt,Hendo, Menzel and Yarran are taking the piss.
Good performances by Bucks, Cripps, Docherty and Kreuzer.
Re: Carlton v Fremantle- Post Match - Vivian - 07-18-2015
Closer than expected really, and freo mucking about would not impress their coach. It was a 10 goal win really.
We are where we are at because we have few skillful players and many dont work hard enough to compensate.
Liked the game of white alot. He stuck hard to his task, and was rewarded with a goal. No easy job against fyfe. Other good players included docherty, murphy (who gets smashed every week) and Buckly who provided run and created options.
Our forward line was non existant, and too often we had the ball around half back in the clear, but we still had 2 or even 3 defenders behind the ball. Easy for freo to set up against with a spare man, so our forwards were playing against several defenders.
It was a very tough game, and the rain late made for tired legs and alot of fumbles. Nevertheless, and even with some good players out, i wonder what the coaching instructions were. We lacked structure and had players moving about position making it even harder to keep shape. Kicking backwards and sideways is a dual result of a lack of confidence and a lack of run but good coaching shouldn't allow it. This thread is about the game, not the coaching, but it was not a great display.
Hendo has the potential to be a decent key forward, but im beginning to doubt his commitment as well as the coaching he has received. If a good trade is on offer it should be considered. Yes he looks more comfortable at half back, but he has more talent, and it is currently being squandered by him and the club. Yarran is a mess, and players such as curnow and Carrazzo have limitations that we all know well.
Hawthorn next week. The way they demolished the swans says it will likely get very ugly.
Re: Carlton v Fremantle- Post Match - PassIt2Carrots - 07-18-2015
(07-18-2015, 01:53 PM)SOS Rules link Wrote:We're not taking the game on and seem to be playing in the Malthouse style again. We're boring to watch and still having holes picked in our defence with extra men in our defensive half. Lets get back to the run and gun approach of the Adelaide and Port Adelaide games and display the energy we had in those matches. Besides this the skills and decision making left a lot to be desired and Everitt,Hendo, Menzel and Yarran are taking the piss.
It's funny you say that I thought the same last night there was plenty of Mick in the way we played, especially in the last quarter. I wonder if the players lapsed back into it or if it was via instruction. Either way, not Barker's greatest night and it well could have been a little more ugly if Freo has kicked straight.
Re: Carlton v Fremantle- Post Match - 31Tommys_barber - 07-18-2015
lots of negativity again on this forum like to put it down to after game disappointment but what did people expect. We went to perth played the top team who were coming off a bad loss, wanting redemption we held in there for three quarters got tired and run over at the end .
42 points in the end isnt a bad loss, now before people jump on me for saying a loss is unacceptable get some reality. People here want the to play the kids and ther playing the kids then they bag the kid sor the coaching or its the senior guys fault, well maybe its hard with a lot of young guys not running to the right positions etc.
Maybe when under pressure from one of the best lock down teams around you look up the ground and cant make the best choice because of pressure on other players around you, 1 seconds hesitation and your gone. Young players will learn to sum up the game and know where to run to eventually but not in games against Freo at Freo.
Everyone expects the older guys to carry the young ones through but as we know with our leadership vacuum that aint gonna happen, that why Cripps is getting a heavy tag after 16 games cause he is a born leader and can carry us forward and opp coaches reconise that and tag it. Keep playing the kids let them learn but dont expect a team with injured players {menzel} and young players on every line to beat freo in perth .
This team lost me at the start of the year cause they had no heart for the contest but under Barker at least they are tackling and competing and trying. Making mistakes that cost goals and make me want to smash the tv but at least thers some passion in it {well except Yarran} Hawks beat swans by 89 we lost by 45 after being 21`down at 3/4 time it didnt get over 30 untill midway through the qtr. Learning curve as Barker said
Re: Carlton v Fremantle- Post Match - Lods - 07-18-2015
It seems Wood needed a rest....and we probably conceded the ruck hit-outs anyway...
But I'm just wondering whether his absence and the fact that Casboult had to do a bit of extra rucking affected his (Casboult's ) performance.
He was a bit of a missing man last night...don't remember seeing much of him at all...especially around the goals.
(Although at times we didn't see many players around our goals.
)Re: Carlton v Fremantle- Post Match - flyboy77 - 07-18-2015
Barker's honeymoon is over!!
Re: Carlton v Fremantle- Post Match - PaulP - 07-18-2015
(07-18-2015, 08:51 PM)31Tommys_barber link Wrote:lots of negativity again on this forum like to put it down to after game disappointment but what did people expect. We went to perth played the top team who were coming off a bad loss, wanting redemption we held in there for three quarters got tired and run over at the end .
42 points in the end isnt a bad loss, now before people jump on me for saying a loss is unacceptable get some reality. People here want the to play the kids and ther playing the kids then they bag the kid sor the coaching or its the senior guys fault, well maybe its hard with a lot of young guys not running to the right positions etc.
Maybe when under pressure from one of the best lock down teams around you look up the ground and cant make the best choice because of pressure on other players around you, 1 seconds hesitation and your gone. Young players will learn to sum up the game and know where to run to eventually but not in games against Freo at Freo.
Everyone expects the older guys to carry the young ones through but as we know with our leadership vacuum that aint gonna happen, that why Cripps is getting a heavy tag after 16 games cause he is a born leader and can carry us forward and opp coaches reconise that and tag it. Keep playing the kids let them learn but dont expect a team with injured players {menzel} and young players on every line to beat freo in perth .
This team lost me at the start of the year cause they had no heart for the contest but under Barker at least they are tackling and competing and trying. Making mistakes that cost goals and make me want to smash the tv but at least thers some passion in it {well except Yarran} Hawks beat swans by 89 we lost by 45 after being 21`down at 3/4 time it didnt get over 30 untill midway through the qtr. Learning curve as Barker said
Generally agree with this. When that performance is put in context....................
Disappointed ? Extremely.
Surprised ? Probably not.
Re: Carlton v Fremantle- Post Match - SOS Rules - 07-19-2015
I don't want to be negative and I didn't expect us to win given the amount of newbies we had in the team, the fact it wasn't our best 22 and that Freo are on top of the ladder for good reason. I don't believe the new guys let us down and the margin at the end of the day was acceptable.
I was disappointed though with our approach in terms of moving the ball and the performance of the more senior guys in the team obviously with some exceptions to this (Murphy and White come to mind). Whether it was by instruction or just the way the players approached it, we never gave ourselves the best chance to win. I think we could have acquitted ourselves a lot better with the senior players playing more to their potential and the team taking the game on. Maybe Army is more integral to our game style than we care to admit. Most players cracked in all night, which is a far cry from where we were under Magic Mick and its a level of effort that should be a non negotiable week to week. Lets take it to the Hawks this week.