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Re: Round 16 Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - Baggers - 07-13-2015
When you're watching from the sidelines it's easy to make some rather odd suggestions. So here's one.
Over the next two weeks we play probably the best two sides (being nudged strongly by Sydney and WC) so why not use this as an opportunity to play any young bloke you're wondering about to firstly see how he responds and secondly so he gets to experience first hand how the best go about it. Then perhaps rest any of our front line older blokes carrying a nasty niggle or two. Treat it as an education.
Specifically you'd play Whiley, Smith, Dick, Fields, Jaksch and Walsh... not sure if we're allowed to play Russell. Perhaps even Foster.
Give each of Murph, Jamison and Carrazzo a rest for one of those two games. Use these two upcoming games to expose, teach and to rest. Then for the remainder of the season set out to win. After these two upcoming games I believe we could win 4 or so games and finish around 14th and have a much better 2nd half to the year (perhaps even 5-6 from our second 11 games as opposed to 2-9 from our first 11). Or maybe I'm just bored and should get back to work! ;D
Re: Round 16 Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - Lods - 07-13-2015
(07-13-2015, 10:20 PM)Baggers link Wrote:Specifically you'd play Whiley, Smith, Dick, Fields, Jaksch and Walsh... not sure if we're allowed to play Russell. Perhaps even Foster.
Have we replaced all of our Long term injuries....I think we upgraded Fields for Warnock.
With Gibbs out we can probably upgrade another.
Did we replace Thomas?
The interesting selection will be Yarran.
He shouldn't play based on last weeks effort.
With Gibbs and Armfield missing will they weaken on this?
It will take a bit of courage to do what should be done, given the weakened state of the side and the potential for a heavy loss.
Re: Round 16 Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - cookie2 - 07-13-2015
(07-13-2015, 11:04 PM)Lods link Wrote:Have we replaced all of our Long term injuries....I think we upgraded Fields for Warnock.
With Gibbs out we can probably upgrade another.
Did we replace Thomas?
The interesting selection will be Yarran.
He shouldn't play based on last weeks effort.
With Gibbs and Armfield missing will they weaken on this?
It will take a bit of courage to do what should be done, given the weakened state of the side and the potential for a heavy loss.
Maybe we should try Yazz in an attacking role v. Freo, see how he goes? If he's still ordinary then drop him. He doesn't deserve a game but we are short.
Re: Round 16 Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - Baggers - 07-14-2015
(07-13-2015, 11:35 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:Maybe we should try Yazz in an attacking role v. Freo, see how he goes? If he's still ordinary then drop him. He doesn't deserve a game but we are short.
With Gibbs gone (and Juddy of course) I would definitely put Yazz in the midfield and make him work.
Re: Round 16 Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - Lods - 07-14-2015
What we're really saying is 'give him a chance to redeem himself.'
Fair enough!
I'd also agree on the move forward.
Big plus if it comes off, and we know that he's capable of it.
...but he has to come with a different attitude or his playing will hurt us rather than help us
Re: Round 16 Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - ringdabelltommy - 07-14-2015
(07-13-2015, 10:20 PM)Baggers link Wrote:When you're watching from the sidelines it's easy to make some rather odd suggestions. So here's one.
Over the next two weeks we play probably the best two sides (being nudged strongly by Sydney and WC) so why not use this as an opportunity to play any young bloke you're wondering about to firstly see how he responds and secondly so he gets to experience first hand how the best go about it. Then perhaps rest any of our front line older blokes carrying a nasty niggle or two. Treat it as an education.
Specifically you'd play Whiley, Smith, Dick, Fields, Jaksch and Walsh... not sure if we're allowed to play Russell. Perhaps even Foster.
Give each of Murph, Jamison and Carrazzo a rest for one of those two games. Use these two upcoming games to expose, teach and to rest. Then for the remainder of the season set out to win. After these two upcoming games I believe we could win 4 or so games and finish around 14th and have a much better 2nd half to the year (perhaps even 5-6 from our second 11 games as opposed to 2-9 from our first 11). Or maybe I'm just bored and should get back to work! ;D
We need to start TANKING now. Don't discuss it in the media, or at the club...like NIKE... Just DO IT! I think we could win 3 more for the year, Collingwood, Melbourne and Brisbane. Let's tank the Brissy game. If we do, I've calculated we'll finish LAST. Might sound awful, but in reality it isn't. We get a gun tall forward (Pick 1) and Pick 19 which we could package up with Yarran/Henderson for another top tenner. All of a sudden, we're BACK.
Re: Round 16 Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - PaulP - 07-14-2015
Personally despise tanking. We've tried it in the past, and it hasn't worked. Melbourne has tried it, and it doesn't work. I've said it before, it's just a variation of the Messiah complex. Instead of waiting for gun trades to save us, instead of waiting successful coaches to save us, now we turn to elite pimply faced adolescents to save us.
We need to build a culture that despises losing, that despises giving less than 100% every game, that can really develop kids the way other clubs do. Into such a system, you then trade, draft, recruit players who have a framework in place, and something to actually aspire to. Not, "you're barely out of nappies, you need to save us."
Sorry, but that's my 2 bob's worth.
Re: Round 16 Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - ringdabelltommy - 07-14-2015
(07-14-2015, 04:17 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Personally despise tanking. We've tried it in the past, and it hasn't worked. Melbourne has tried it, and it doesn't work. I've said it before, it's just a variation of the Messiah complex. Instead of waiting for gun trades to save us, instead of waiting successful coaches to save us, now we turn to elite pimply faced adolescents to save us.
We need to build a culture that despises losing, that despises giving less than 100% every game, that can really develop kids the way other clubs do. Into such a system, you then trade, draft, recruit players who have a framework in place, and something to actually aspire to. Not, "you're barely out of nappies, you need to save us."
Sorry, but that's my 2 bob's worth.
Franklin, Lewis and Roughy were all once 'pimply faced adolescents'.
Re: Round 16 Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - PaulP - 07-14-2015
(07-14-2015, 04:33 AM)ringdabelltommy link Wrote:Franklin, Lewis and Roughy were all once 'pimply faced adolescents'.
They were indeed. So were Travis Johnstone, Murray Vance and a plethora of others.
The three you mention would've arguably turned to sop at our club. But that's my opinion.
Re: Round 16 Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - Baggers - 07-14-2015
(07-14-2015, 04:17 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Personally despise tanking. We've tried it in the past, and it hasn't worked. Melbourne has tried it, and it doesn't work. I've said it before, it's just a variation of the Messiah complex. Instead of waiting for gun trades to save us, instead of waiting successful coaches to save us, now we turn to elite pimply faced adolescents to save us.
We need to build a culture that despises losing, that despises giving less than 100% every game, that can really develop kids the way other clubs do. Into such a system, you then trade, draft, recruit players who have a framework in place, and something to actually aspire to. Not, "you're barely out of nappies, you need to save us."
Sorry, but that's my 2 bob's worth.
I wholeheartedly agree with you. When I suggested the above it was to 'balance' a learning experience and giving it our best against great opposition. They're two sides we won't beat but I give us a chance against any other sides bar the top 4.
Tanking is a cancer to culture. Should never even be contemplated. Losing to get a higher pick is not only what you accurately point out (player x is going to change everything for us - Messiah Complex continues) but is foolish beyond belief. The draft is not about our first pick only, it is much, much more than that.