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Re: What does our club stand for? - ItsOurTime - 05-07-2015
We used to be about playing finals and winning premierships. We made the decision we needed to change but never really embraced it thereby ending up floating around somewhere inbetween where we were and where we need to be. We're a club with no identity. Nothing optimised this more than reverting to the old jumper.
What do we stand for? Doubt anyone really knows. Sad thing is you can see it through out the club - even on the field.
Re: What does our club stand for? - cookie2 - 05-07-2015
(05-07-2015, 11:08 PM)DontgoJuddy link Wrote:We once were what Hawthorn are now.
Once were Warriors?
Re: What does our club stand for? - Lods - 05-07-2015
Factionalism
Power Struggles
Mediocrity
Individualism
Rebuilding
Re: What does our club stand for? - Thryleon - 05-08-2015
(05-07-2015, 09:30 PM)Baggers link Wrote:We need a very simple and basic indoctrination (written everywhere and shouted together), all for one and one for all. It's not complicated and it is a proven winner over many, many years. It was our motto on one of the war ships I served on in the 70s and once ingrained you found yourself looking out for your mates and knowing that they were 'covering your back'. A few blokes let the crew down and let's just say that after being dealt with, they never did it again (OH&S HR would have not been happy with us!!!).
I captained a soccer team once.
I reinforced the message each and every game that once the whistle blows, we only have ourselves to rely on out there. We play for each other, we go in for each other, we run hard for each other, we cover each other's mistakes, and most importantly if you are passing the ball, or clearing the ball you put it in an area where one of your mates can actually do something with it, rather than giving them a hospital pass, under pressure where they have to do something mercurial to achieve anything. Sometimes this can't be helped, but one bad pass, leads to pressure, which leads to another bad pass, and more pressure, and at some point, the turnover will come. So give your teamates a chance.
A coach once told me, if you want to look like a good player, all you have to do, is be the sort of player that makes his teamates look good. The better they all look, the better you will look. Put the ball to their advantage don't give them over hit passes, under hit passes, passes metres out of their reach so they have to change direction to get it, because odds are they will only have one way to go once they get it, putting the defender on their hammer in a position of advantage because he knows where his opponent is likely to go next.
Then apply that to our team.
We frequently have players having to stand under the ball and wait for its arrival because it's moving too slowly.
Our handpasses are not always drilled into someone's chest, but a metres left or right requiring another change in direction.
Forwards are often trying to pick the ball up off their boot laces even on the lead, as the kick falls short.
We have not hit targets all season. It's a fundamental skill we are not getting right. It has more to do with why we are not playing well than anything other thing, and its not new.
Does anyone recall we used to have a thread called "skills and disposal"?
Quote:We get that right, we will start playing much better footy.
I want our boys to believe.
I want them to believe that they could be good enough.
I want them to believe that they will go out there and actually compete hard.
I want them to believe that they can win.
I want them to believe, that they could conceivably go out there and win the rest of their games, and win a forking flag.
It's 21 vs 21 with a sub each. A bit of luck and we can win most weeks provided the team plays with the requisite ability to hit targets, and play football for each other.
We have only lost 4 games for the year.
Premiership teams have lost more for the year and still won the flag.
It would take a change of attitude and execution of 180 degrees to achieve it, but we all can agree that 90% of that appears to be in the players minds and our club collectively having given up on season 2015 is not what I want to see from any level of our leadership which is Mark Lo Giudice's first major stuff up as president of our footy club, and Stephen Trigg's too.
The only good thing about it, is that the players now have the ability to play with absolutely no pressure on them. Which should yield better results, but on this occasion is not, which does mean that they care about being written off and might not be happy about it.
This is what I want to see from now on from our playing group.
Re: What does our club stand for? - kruddler - 05-08-2015
(05-07-2015, 02:46 PM)Juddkreuzer link Wrote:Heard Sellers Maclure talk about what our club stands for on 360 last night. He said if you wanted to play along side Wayne Johnson in our forward line you knew what you had to bring and if you couldn't deliver then the leadership group would toss you to the kerb. Ignited moments of pride in our club that have been lacking for too long.
...and thats about what we need to start getting into our club and playing list. One reason i've been an advocate of Mick letting players go has been because those players do not fit into the mould you described above.
McLean, Garlett, Robbo, Waite....how many of them would you trust to make the right decision on someones inclusion/exclusion from the team? All capable of performing wonders on their day, but their days are not frequent enough and can be partially attributed to their 'nights' as well.
Yes, back in the Dominator days things were a lot different. You could go out and have some fun. It was allowed. However, now it is not allowed. The team rules were more leniant back in the day, but if you broke them, you knew about it. Same MUST be made true now. TEAM rules are to benefit the team, not the individual. Abide by them, do whats best for your team, and you will live to fight another day. Ignore them at your own peril.
We MUST bring back a culture of work ethic and team unity.
Re: What does our club stand for? - cookie2 - 05-08-2015
@ Kruddler
The simple difference between the good old days of Sellers and The Dominator is that then the guys were semi-professionals. Now of course they are full-time professional athletes. There's a big difference in the approach with a lot more expectation on players to do all the right things by their employers and customers - in summary they must provide full value and be seen to be doing all the right things. It was very different back then when as long as you pulled a rabbit out of the hat on match day, many other things off field could be forgiven.
Re: What does our club stand for? - kruddler - 05-08-2015
(05-08-2015, 10:52 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:@ Kruddler
The simple difference between the good old days of Sellers and The Dominator is that then the guys were semi-professionals. Now of course they are full-time professional athletes. There's a big difference in the approach with a lot more expectation on players to do all the right things by their employers and customers - in summary they must provide full value and be seen to be doing all the right things. It was very different back then when as long as you pulled a rabbit out of the hat on match day, many other things off field could be forgiven.
I don't buy that.
Why can Hawthorn do today what we were able to do then? Are Hawthorn not full time professional athletes? I think they are.
The crux of the problem at our club is we don't know how to achieve success in the modern era. Off-field and on. A cultural change is required to drag us into the modern era in all facets of the game.
In terms of the players, that is something that they can control themselves. They can demand commitment from each other. They set their own team rules (to an extent) and they can enforce them. They can punish themselves should they transgress. If the players are not on board to begin with, what hope do we have?
Team rules can be made, followed and enforced no matter what era you come from. The rules may change, but the meaning behind them remains the same.
Re: What does our club stand for? - cookie2 - 05-08-2015
(05-08-2015, 11:16 PM)kruddler link Wrote:I don't buy that.
Why can Hawthorn do today what we were able to do then? Are Hawthorn not full time professional athletes? I think they are.
The crux of the problem at our club is we don't know how to achieve success in the modern era. Off-field and on. A cultural change is required to drag us into the modern era in all facets of the game.
In terms of the players, that is something that they can control themselves. They can demand commitment from each other. They set their own team rules (to an extent) and they can enforce them. They can punish themselves should they transgress. If the players are not on board to begin with, what hope do we have?
Team rules can be made, followed and enforced no matter what era you come from. The rules may change, but the meaning behind them remains the same.
I think you misunderstood. I was saying that WE have failed here, not that others have. I agree that the Hawks are one of the benchmarks of the new era. What I was saying is that people like Sellers repeatedly talking about "his day" is not helpful ant not really all that relevant to our current predicament. We need to be more like the Hawks of today and less like the Blues of old.
Re: What does our club stand for? - kruddler - 05-08-2015
(05-08-2015, 11:25 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:I think you misunderstood. I was saying that WE have failed here, not that others have. I agree that the Hawks are one of the benchmarks of the new era. What I was saying is that people like Sellers repeatedly talking about "his day" is not helpful ant not really all that relevant to our current predicament. We need to be more like the Hawks of today and less like the Blues of old.
I think what Sellers says rings true in relative terms.
Quote:He said if you wanted to play along side Wayne Johnson in our forward line you knew what you had to bring and if you couldn't deliver then the leadership group would toss you to the kerb
As i said before, i think the key is this.
Team rules can be made, followed and enforced no matter what era you come from. The rules may change, but the meaning behind them remains the same.
Thats all sellers wants. Players demanding success from their teammates and ensuring it comes.
Re: What does our club stand for? - Baggers - 05-08-2015
(05-08-2015, 11:32 PM)kruddler link Wrote:I think what Sellers says rings true in relative terms.
As i said before, i think the key is this.
Team rules can be made, followed and enforced no matter what era you come from. The rules may change, but the meaning behind them remains the same.
Thats all sellers wants. Players demanding success from their teammates and ensuring it comes.
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