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Re: What is wrong with Carlton - Lods - 04-21-2015
(04-21-2015, 01:55 PM)Mantis link Wrote:Ha ha. Where on this earth do we find the people to have a total independent review. Your funny, I tell you that much. Then again something tells me you are not trying to be funny.
I'll tell you where you don't get them from......
Carlton.
The thing is it won't happen because no-one in power will submit themselves to that process.
The first thing a review would tell them would be to resign, because while they're all still there the circular power struggles will continue.
Re: What is wrong with Carlton - LP - 04-22-2015
(04-21-2015, 11:58 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Mckay is on the outer, its all about SOS rebuilding the list with Mick..I expect McKay to be moved on....I dont hear or see the new President refer to McKay much at all...
Not sure about that at all, on the radio The Judge seemed pretty resolute in his support of SOS and McKay. The Judge really drop kicked the recruiters and player development though, straight out said it hadn't been good enough!
I think we will see a big restructure at the support levels, some of those 2ICs might be looking for a job!
I know we would both love to see one in particular get the kibosh!
Re: What is wrong with Carlton - cimm1979 - 04-22-2015
(04-21-2015, 11:58 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Mckay is on the outer, its all about SOS rebuilding the list with Mick..I expect McKay to be moved on....I dont hear or see the new President refer to McKay much at all...
I reckon they will use McKay as a straight out administrator and have him less involved in day to day function within departments. That's how it should be.
You know the type, makes sure all the boxes are ticked and paperwork done but the people in the roles will be responsible for their roles.
Not like when Swan was there and it looked like every man and his dog had a finger in pies that shouldn't concern them.
Put people you believe in, in the roles , give them the resources, trust them to do the job. Then, if they don't work out you can get someone else.
Again, I heard some Hawks administrator saying this is how they operate.
Makes perfect sense.
Re: What is wrong with Carlton - cookie2 - 04-22-2015
I'm particularly keen to see what we do about player development including coaching staff and the NBs. This is a vital area as we seemed to have squandered so many draftees in the past, although we've done OK with some of the rookie picks and Irish guys.
Re: What is wrong with Carlton - cookie2 - 04-22-2015
@EB1
I don't think Mick will have any direct involvement in rebuilding the list. That is primarily SOS's area although the senior coach will obviously provide some input to him.
Mick stated pretty clearly that he is focused on the NOW and is primarily concerned with trying to put the best available team out each week. That is one of the reasons why our player development is so important in bringing through new young talent for senior selection, even if we do change our senior coach.
Re: What is wrong with Carlton - mina1 - 04-22-2015
our recruitment over the years has totally stuffed the place.WE have to get this years draft correct and last years well 21 yr old who hasnt played yet better pay of or else we will get mauled by media
Re: What is wrong with Carlton - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-22-2015
(04-22-2015, 04:57 AM)mina1 link Wrote:our recruitment over the years has totally stuffed the place.WE have to get this years draft correct and last years well 21 yr old who hasnt played yet better pay of or else we will get mauled by media
Maybe thats why Mick wont play him....if he fails in his first couple of games then Mick will get a another bake....
Re: What is wrong with Carlton - kruddler - 04-22-2015
Maybe Mick won't play him because he isn't ready?
Why doesn't Mick play Buckley? Buckley is 6 months older than Boekhorst but has only played 9 senior matches.
We have 2 rookies who are older than Boekhorst who haven't played a game yet. Why don't we play them if age is all that matters?
Re: What is wrong with Carlton - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-22-2015
(04-22-2015, 05:23 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Maybe Mick won't play him because he isn't ready?
Why doesn't Mick play Buckley? Buckley is 6 months older than Boekhorst but has only played 9 senior matches.
We have 2 rookies who are older than Boekhorst who haven't played a game yet. Why don't we play them if age is all that matters?
Mick said he is too light and not consistent enough....maybe he should have weighed him before Rodgers called out his name.
Buckley cant get a kick in the NB's...yet Mick has him in line for a game ahead of Boekhorst along with V. Rainbow....both have done nothing in the NB,s this season.
Yet Mick says he wont just give games to youth for the sake of being seen to rebuild.....
I dont know a coach who changes his logic daily and sends so many confusing messages to supporters/media like MM...maybe thats how he coaches on match day....
We all know the plan was to recruit 21-24 year olds so we could get some young experienced players onto the list who could play straight away and cut some development corners..Boekhorst recruiting was part of that plan being a WAFL player with a few seasons under his belt.
He hasnt set the world on fire preseason and everyone with half a brain knows he is struggling with the physical aspects of the AFL game and his light frame is an issue...
Clem Smith was preferred to him...if Smith was/is more ready that Boekhorst then I know why Mick is hiding him in the NB's...
Re: What is wrong with Carlton - kruddler - 04-22-2015
(04-22-2015, 05:37 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Mick said he is too light and not consistent enough....maybe he should have weighed him before Rodgers called out his name.
Buckley cant get a kick in the NB's...yet Mick has him in line for a game ahead of Boekhorst along with V. Rainbow....both have done nothing in the NB,s this season.
Yet Mick says he wont just give games to youth for the sake of being seen to rebuild.....
I dont know a coach who changes his logic daily and sends so many confusing messages to supporters/media like MM...maybe thats how he coaches on match day....
Is there some part of that that you can't understand.
We NEED to pick someone to come in to cover Yarran.
He is not going to pick a kid for the sake of picking a kid.
He does have to pick someone though.
Boeky is not ready, so that means he has to look elsewhere. Buckley and Rainbow are more ready by comparison.....as is Dick and Tutt which were all mentioned in the same breath.
Given that someone does actually need to come into the side in Yarrans absence...who do you want to come in?