(02-04-2021, 12:39 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:For a disease thats highly infectious and deadly, I havent come across too many infected people, and cant tell you many that have died from it.  If I need a vaccine to guard against something i havent caught whilst walking in and out of a hospital where they were treating the thing the whole way through, then it makes me wonder why i am bothering (yes I do go everywhere, and yes I agree prevention is better than cure, and yes I think we could do more to prevent the community transmission and no I am not diminishing the covid threat, I am simply stating that I think the vaccine is likely to cause more issues for more people than the actual virus would).

(02-04-2021, 12:39 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Its interesting.  We start vaccinating very soon.

Whats the bet we take our time getting "on top" of this officially?

It all makes it look like they simply want to give everyone the jab which was a point raised VERY early on in this.

I still dont know whats worse.  Covid or the Jab.

For a disease thats highly infectious and deadly, I havent come across too many infected people, and cant tell you many that have died from it.  If I need a vaccine to guard against something i havent caught whilst walking in and out of a hospital where they were treating the thing the whole way through, then it makes me wonder why i am bothering (yes I do go everywhere, and yes I agree prevention is better than cure, and yes I think we could do more to prevent the community transmission and no I am not diminishing the covid threat, I am simply stating that I think the vaccine is likely to cause more issues for more people than the actual virus would).

(02-04-2021, 12:53 AM)LP link Wrote:[member=105]Thryleon[/member], isn't your good health and limited exposure to infection a consequence of the restrictions and actions, that have prevented overflow in wards and loss of control over the epidemic?

Your experience is not reflected in those areas that have been indifferent to the virus, if you were walking out of a UK or USA hospital workplace, indifference leads to what has happened in the UK or USA! Also as bad as what is happening in those regions, that is only really considering the short term, the potential long term effects and costs are glaring!

I don't think the vaccines are any more of an issue than any other vaccine, so I do not understand where your concern comes from. There have already been millions and millions of people vaccinated world wide, and the numbers of those suffering illness confirmed as a reaction to the vaccine is very very small. The Norway deaths / events are not evidence of the vaccine being faulty, it's just proof that unwell frail people are more susceptible to complications from any form of treatment whether it is complicated or trivial.

Quote:  I swear by Apollo Healer, by Asclepius, by Hygieia, by Panacea, and by all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will carry out, according to my ability and judgment, this oath and this indenture.

    To hold my teacher in this art equal to my own parents; to make him partner in my livelihood; when he is in need of money to share mine with him; to consider his family as my own brothers, and to teach them this art, if they want to learn it, without fee or indenture; to impart precept, oral instruction, and all other instruction to my own sons, the sons of my teacher, and to indentured pupils who have taken the Healer’s oath, but to nobody else.

    I will use those dietary regimens which will benefit my patients according to my greatest ability and judgment, and I will do no harm or injustice to them.[7] Neither will I administer a poison to anybody when asked to do so, nor will I suggest such a course. Similarly I will not give to a woman a pessary to cause abortion. But I will keep pure and holy both my life and my art. I will not use the knife, not even, verily, on sufferers from stone, but I will give place to such as are craftsmen therein.

    Into whatsoever houses I enter, I will enter to help the sick, and I will abstain from all intentional wrong-doing and harm, especially from abusing the bodies of man or woman, bond or free. And whatsoever I shall see or hear in the course of my profession, as well as outside my profession in my intercourse with men, if it be what should not be published abroad, I will never divulge, holding such things to be holy secrets.

    Now if I carry out this oath, and break it not, may I gain for ever reputation among all men for my life and for my art; but if I break it and forswear myself, may the opposite befall me.[6] – Translation by W.H.S. Jones.

Quote:Thanks to my job as a doctor in a small regional hospital in Tirol, yesterday I received the Pfizer COVID vaccine. And although you might think that I resent the residual muscle ache (just a normal post-vaccination tenderness, no other symptoms), I actually kind of love it. My fingers keep finding it and pressing it, like a kid with a bruise.

Because it reminds me of what it means.

It means that my body's cells are ingesting the genetic material (called mRNA) from the vaccine, decoding it and making the COVID spike proteins on their surfaces.

It means that my body's immune system is, as I type these very words, encountering those spike proteins for the first time, recognising them as foreign intruders, and mounting an attack on them.

It means my body is actively creating custom-made antibodies which will stick to the spike proteins and help disable and eliminate those infected cells.

And best of all, it means any future invasions of real virus particles won't stand a chance, because my body will remember those spike proteins from the vaccination and — like flicking a switch — simply pump out floods of the same antibodies it made last time, resulting in a coordinated and speedy attack.

Science is just so bloody cool.

(02-04-2021, 02:03 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:Now all of that is neither here nor there with respect to the Pandemic.  I have agreed and disagreed with the lockdowns for the same reason I agree and disagree with the jab, but the jab is different from the lockdowns for one reason:  Its more likely to yield really harmful results than said virus to most people.  Why?  Because this virus, is not the evil that we first thought it was for most people.

(02-04-2021, 02:03 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:This vaccine, seems to be as much poison as it is preventative and cure and I am extremely worried not only about my own personal well being with this one, and the well being of those around me too.

(02-04-2021, 02:10 AM)madbluboy date Wrote:We put a tennis tournament ahead of the health of our citizens. We brought people who we knew were positive into our state. If anyone dies because of this then the the person responsible should go to prison.