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Re: General Discussions - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-22-2024
The following might explain the Governments proposed position and inclusion of candidates for health related studies.
https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/research-policy/gender-equity/statement-sex-and-gender-health-and-medical-research
Its a draft statement but I dont know of any outcome from it...
Re: General Discussions - Blue Moon - 07-22-2024
I always worry when someone introduces facts into a debate.
Re: General Discussions - northernblue - 07-22-2024
(07-22-2024, 03:27 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Come off it Pat. That reply 1897 is margin alarmism at its finest.Post 1899 gets better… ?
Re: General Discussions - LP - 07-22-2024
(07-22-2024, 06:50 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:The following might explain the Governments proposed position and inclusion of candidates for health related studies.Yep, there they are, painters of the future, stewards of our tax dollars, compiling an ever increasing list of categories to divide and define us by.
https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/research-policy/gender-equity/statement-sex-and-gender-health-and-medical-research
Its a draft statement but I dont know of any outcome from it...
Making the globe a meaner place under the banners of doing good and inclusion.
Perhaps in that expert panel hides the rort PaulP searches for, if PaulP is serious about finding it. Can we give them a label too?
We are all humans aren't we, painting over the cracks comes with a real world cost, but at least there will be a gold star of inclusion for everybody!
Re: General Discussions - LP - 07-22-2024
(07-22-2024, 06:37 AM)kruddler date Wrote:I think this response just proved Blue Moons point.Nobody is denying anybody access to care, services or support, but voluntarily participation in this study by otherwise invalid candidates wastes funds and consumes places for those who are valid participants.
If you are REALLY worried about tax payers $'s, then there are plenty of bigger fish to fry than going after a minority of a minority included here.
As ludicrous as it may be, its a drop in the ocean of where real $'s are being spent.
There are so many categories being created that a path can no longer be navigated through the tangle without extreme waste or conflict, it's making the world a meaner place, and strangling progress.
Blue Moon makes an assertion the cost is trivial, but collectively this policy would be applied to all studies, as this wedge gets driven into general practise the wasted funds will be staggeringly large in a country where researchers are paupers. That's ultimately why you pay more for doctors, medicines and insurance, death by a thousand cuts.
Divided and conquered with a dynamo!
Re: General Discussions - PaulP - 07-22-2024
It’s 100% pure scaremongering, selectively targeting a minority group that is already struggling, and without a shred of evidence.
Re: General Discussions - LP - 07-22-2024
(07-22-2024, 09:20 PM)PaulP date Wrote:It’s 100% pure scaremongering, selectively targeting a minority group that is already struggling, and without a shred of evidence.No
That's the answer to the accusation of scaremongering, and also the solution to the cause of the waste.
Just a simple, no! (A highly offensive term apparently!)
Re: General Discussions - PaulP - 07-22-2024
Still waiting for all that evidence you have piled up, of men dressed as women, faux vaginas and all the rest, with their snouts in the trough, diverting funds from the “worthy” candidates.
Re: General Discussions - LP - 07-22-2024
(07-22-2024, 10:02 PM)PaulP date Wrote:Still waiting for all that evidence you have piled up, of men dressed as women, faux vaginas and all the rest, with their snouts in the trough, diverting funds from the “worthy” candidates.Aren't I supposed to be the one being alarmist and extreme?
Conflating rorts with waste was the accusation you have made, but it's based on a fallacy, so obviously I can't provide evidence of a fallacy because it's a fallacy, not part of the debate. Waste is not always rort, never was never will be, rorts can be waste.
There are no declarative statements about the worth of individuals or groups, the accusation is emotive, are you posting that deliberately or just become confused, the assertion is not based in fact?
Just as it's invalid to include all people who "identity as female" in prostate studies, it's completely invalid to include all people who "identify as male" in studies of endometriosis or menopause. Nothing you can write or speak will change that fact, and as you mention repeatedly they will are not part of the baseline because they are minority.
We vote, we spend, we create, we matter, disregard us at your peril and it will come at a huge cost. But there aren't many of us, the little we get you can ignore, it's a drop in the ocean, you won't even notice.
Re: General Discussions - PaulP - 07-22-2024
So in other words, what we have here is the standard Pat shtick. High octane sensationalist drama, innuendo, scuttlebutt, nudge nudge, but little to actually back it up. Watch out for Sheedy, watch out for AFL HQ, watch out for umpire 22, watch out for BT, watch out for green energy promoters, watch out for that stuff that turns boys into girls, and on it goes.
If you're going to make unsubstantiated claims against a minority group, expect push back. And my calls for you to bring receipts in respect of these harmful claims are completely justified.