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Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 09-30-2020
(09-30-2020, 05:18 AM)capcom date Wrote:He's never said anything even approaching that ???Sure, ................. we realise he didn't say those words, .......... but you do not have to say something to incite a behaviour, ........... you know!
Instead he just very publicly and graphically hypothesised on the podium that he can't be held responsible for his supporters behaviour if he loses.
You know, ............. he doesn't know what they might do. :
That is basically implanting a suggestion, some might call it incitement!
Although we've seen Kim Jung-Un behave this way, it is horrendous behaviour from a Head of the USA!
Do you think that it is appropriate for any Head of State, even if it is seemingly a worthless statement?
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - flyboy77 - 09-30-2020
(09-30-2020, 06:01 AM)mateinone link Wrote:Absolutely the worst debate I have ever seen. Well it was not a debate, it was unable to be moderated at all.
Trump was a disgrace and I had no issue with Biden calling him a moron or an idiot and telling him to shutup, as Trump just comes over the top over and over again with irrelevant points.
He has no regard for the integrity of the debate process at all
It does not matter as his supporter base will remain charged and consider it a strong victory, those staunchly against him will continue to be.
With those undecided, they will have to chose between a fairly ordinary, but not terrible Biden and an ridiculous Trump. I don't know that either candidate won many nett votes tonight
The 'debate' was doomed as soon as the 'moderator' started debating Trump....
Biden acquitted himself surprising well for a guy who days ago was trumpeting the fact he'd been in the Senate for 180 years.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Baggers - 09-30-2020
(09-30-2020, 06:34 AM)LP link Wrote:Sure, ................. we realise he didn't say those words, .......... but you do not have to say something to incite a behaviour, ........... you know!
Instead he just very publicly and graphically hypothesised on the podium that he can't be held responsible for his supporters behaviour if he loses.
You know, ............. he doesn't know what they might do. :
That is basically implanting a suggestion, some might call it incitement!
Although we've seen Kim Jung-Un behave this way, it is horrendous behaviour from a Head of the USA!
Do you think that it is appropriate for any Head of State, even if it is seemingly a worthless statement?
Yep.
There is no 'too low' for the Orange Rodent. He will use manipulation (narcissist/sociopath) to achieve his ends - always has, and he will stoop to any tool he perceives as 'useful' to his personal agenda. He definitely insinuates clearly that 'if you don't vote for me there will be blood in the streets, I'm the only person in the world that can prevent that... if I remain President'. I'd be surprised if anyone didn't think that. In this instance his manipulation tool is fear. Bullsh1t and grandiosity are another two of his favourite tools.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - PaulP - 09-30-2020
There's no way out through the electoral process. Both Democrats and Republicans have been bought and owned by the corporate oligarchs and wealthy elites, and do what they're told. Biden will, if anything, be more acceptable to the powers that be, because he's not a vulgar, trash talking embarrassment like Trump. Don't expect Biden to make things much better for ordinary folks.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 09-30-2020
It was a disgrace....and a pox on both their parties.
We know what Trump is but if Joe Biden is the best candidate the Democrats can produce then they deserve criticism as well.
They're rooted....we just have to hope that while this circus is happening some other 'nasty nation' doesn't take advantage of the turmoil.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - capcom - 09-30-2020
(09-30-2020, 06:34 AM)LP link Wrote:Do you think that it is appropriate for any Head of State, even if it is seemingly a worthless statement?
No. Not when he didn't say it ...
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-30-2020
(09-30-2020, 06:57 AM)PaulP link Wrote:There's no way out through the electoral process. Both Democrats and Republicans have been bought and owned by the corporate oligarchs and wealthy elites, and do what they're told. Biden will, if anything, be more acceptable to the powers that be, because he's not a vulgar, trash talking embarrassment like Trump. Don't expect Biden to make things much better for ordinary folks.Biden wants to raise Corporate taxes during a recession(thats making money for the govt with high school economics), big business dont want him and wont work with him. The stock market is expected to fall 5% or more if Biden wins, you are going to see mass unemployment and companies taking their business offshore.
This will all flow onto us and keep Australia in recession, I dont like Trump anymore than most but Biden doesnt have any policies of note apart from keeping Obamacare and I cant see how the USA can recover under Biden from the economic and covid damage.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Thryleon - 09-30-2020
(09-30-2020, 07:13 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Biden wants to raise Corporate taxes during a recession(thats making money for the govt with high school economics), big business dont want him and wont work with him. The stock market is expected to fall 5% or more if Biden wins, you are going to see mass unemployment and companies taking their business offshore.
This will all flow onto us and keep Australia in recession, I dont like Trump anymore than most but Biden doesnt have any policies of note apart from keeping Obamacare and I cant see how the USA can recover under Biden from the economic and covid damage.
Thats it in a nutshell.
The fix was in a long time ago. The day Trump abolished capital gains tax, and took control of the Fed was the day he won the election. The rest of it is all a lot of theatre to give people the illusion of choice.
If it really starts to look like he'll lose, keep your eyes on whats going on in Turkey, there will be an American base under fire and troops to send in quicker than you can say Uncle Sam, and no president has yet to lose an election during a war.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - PaulP - 09-30-2020
(09-30-2020, 07:13 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Biden wants to raise Corporate taxes during a recession(thats making money for the govt with high school economics), big business dont want him and wont work with him. The stock market is expected to fall 5% or more if Biden wins, you are going to see mass unemployment and companies taking their business offshore.
This will all flow onto us and keep Australia in recession, I dont like Trump anymore than most but Biden doesnt have any policies of note apart from keeping Obamacare and I cant see how the USA can recover under Biden from the economic and covid damage.
Yes, he actually wants to increase corporate taxes from 0% to 1% Lol - so naturally all hell breaks loose. American corporate elites are a brood of vipers. The fact that they won't work with someone as far right as Biden tells you everything you need to know. Typical right wing scare tactics.
Very few people own stock, and the disconnect between Wall Street and Main Street economics increases all the time - there isn't zero connection, but it's not much.
Capitalist economies tank every 4-7 years on average. Sometimes it's a minor tank, sometimes it's very significant, like in 2000, 2008-09, and 2020. The longer the gap between crashes, the greater the intensity of the crash. There's many factors that affect stock markets - health crises, war crises, oil prices, collapse of governments etc. The standard solution is for the government to pour ridiculous amounts of money into corporations, big banks etc., which is supposed to "trickle down" to the working poor. But of course it rarely does, because the big boys can make more money on Wall Street than they can helping poor suffering slobs.
The system is broken, and no amount of band aid solutions, or fussing about a small percentage of tax here or there, is going to change that.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-30-2020
Corporate tax rates up from 21 to 28%, 12.4 %payroll tax, big pharma and other companies who leave the USA to get a punishment tax... Its high school economics to tax heavily in a recession. The broad picture is every worker with a super account or a 401k account is connected to the stockmarket, that's a high connect.
Stockmarkets move on sentiment in the main.. Governments usually stimulate economies by reducing interest rates, buy bonds both govt and corporate. Its true that money doesn't filter down to everyone but its about creating a environment for earnings and employment. I'm talking about fixing a recession and covid damage not fixing world poverty and equality. Don't think Biden is capable of either but Trump regardless of being a arrogant boofhead is a better bet to fix the former in the USA and not drag the rest of the world into a GFC.