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Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - Robblues - 04-23-2016
Hey I am in China for this one, any thoughts on best way to check out the game? No sports bars etc in this part...?
Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - PassIt2Carrots - 04-23-2016
Just on that, is it possible that they are doing this by instruction? God forbid but you have to ask the question. Why isn't Bolton ripping into Gibbs and Murphy telling them to win their own ball? He called Murph a tough in and under player just two days ago but if he was that, surely he'd have a few more clearances? Just doesn't make sense.
Can anyone be forked pulling out both Murphy and Jibbs clearance averages in comparison to last year's?
Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - PaulP - 04-23-2016
(04-23-2016, 10:20 PM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:Just on that, is it possible that they are doing this by instruction? God forbid but you have to ask the question. Why isn't Bolton ripping into Gibbs and Murphy telling them to win their own ball? He called Murph a tough in and under player just two days ago but if he was that, surely he'd have a few more clearances? Just doesn't make sense.
Can anyone be forked pulling out both Murphy and Jibbs clearance averages in comparison to last year's?
I've been saying this for a while. It's simply not possible for coaches and others at the club to not notice the things that are discussed on here. They are either playing to instruction, or else they have some serious dirt on various club power brokers. It's simply not possible for them to hoodwink everyone, season after season after season.
Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - PassIt2Carrots - 04-23-2016
(04-23-2016, 10:37 PM)PaulP link Wrote:I've been saying this for a while. It's simply not possible for coaches and others at the club to not notice the things that are discussed on here. They are either playing to instruction, or else they have some serious dirt on various club power brokers. It's simply not possible for them to hoodwink everyone, season after season after season.
Well maybe Bolton is doing the smart thing and refraining from publicly criticising his senior players until season's end when he can trade them. We have no idea what is said behind closed doors now that Mick isn't in charge.
Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - kruddler - 04-23-2016
(04-23-2016, 10:20 PM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:Just on that, is it possible that they are doing this by instruction? God forbid but you have to ask the question. Why isn't Bolton ripping into Gibbs and Murphy telling them to win their own ball? He called Murph a tough in and under player just two days ago but if he was that, surely he'd have a few more clearances? Just doesn't make sense.
Can anyone be forked pulling out both Murphy and Jibbs clearance averages in comparison to last year's?
Murphy
2016 - 1.2
2015 - 4.3
Gibbs
2016 - 2.2
2015 - 4.9
Cripps
2016 - 8.8
2015 - 6.6
Graham
2016 - 1.2
2015 - 3.2
Curnow
2016 - 3.2
2015 - 2.6
Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - PassIt2Carrots - 04-23-2016
Wow, they are some damning statistics. Who's fault? Players or coach?
Cheers.
Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - crashlander - 04-23-2016
(04-23-2016, 10:18 PM)Robblues link Wrote:Hey I am in China for this one, any thoughts on best way to check out the game? No sports bars etc in this part...?Probably your best bet is on the 'net.
AFL.com.au send through stats and stuff. It is a frustrating way to deal with the game, but better than nothing.
There are other options on the 'net, some of which supply live vision. I can't remember their names: they are memory hogs (no surprise) and we run out of memory if I use them. :-[
Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - PaulP - 04-23-2016
(04-23-2016, 10:47 PM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:Wow, they are some damning statistics. Who's fault? Players or coach?
Cheers.
Don't know. Maybe it's not relevant, but Judd and Murph were comparable for clearances in 2011 and 2012 :
2011 : Judd 6.63, Murph 5.38. Both played 24 games.
2012 : Judd 5.76, Murph 5.56. Murph played 16 games, Judd 17.
Murph has definitely gone into his shell. Injuries etc. have definitely taken their toll.
Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - kruddler - 04-23-2016
(04-23-2016, 10:47 PM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:Wow, they are some damning statistics. Who's fault? Players or coach?
Cheers.
That's the debate isn't it.
Personally i've been saying its the players fault for a while now (hence where the 'sticking up for mick' came from)
Some people think its easier to change coach, after coach, after coach despite the same players remaining with the same lack of effort/consistency.
IMO it goes back to culture again.
1. Pagan, although hamstrung financially, didn't reign players in enough (read fevola as #1) and allowed things to get out of hand.
2. Too far out of hand for a rookie coach to turnaround, even if he was a favourite son.
3. What we needed was a hard nosed individual who knew how to setup a club. Unfortunately players and powerbrokers didn't give him the support/dedication he required and we were doomed.
4. We tried everyones mate in Barker briefly, but once the honeymoon period wore off, same old shite.
5. So we get the best new thing going around to do a proper rebuild. Came from the best team going around who has had sustained success. Got off to a good start in the off-season with delistings/recruiting and seems to have the new blokes on board, be that draftees or trades in. However, we are still falling short with the senior blokes.
The one constant throughout ALL of that is the (now) senior blokes. Murphy, Gibbs, Walker, Kreuzer...
How many coaches do we have to kill before we realise its not a coach thing?!
Of everyone above, Bolton has the best chance to succeed. The majority of the 'old blokes' are gone and a fair chunk of the 'riff raff' have been sent packing. We have the bench bunch of kids from this years draft and a superstar in Cripps to build around. If we cannot get back from here, you simply have to send blokes like Murphy/Gibbs packing for more draft kids who Bolton can start afresh with.
Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers - PassIt2Carrots - 04-23-2016
(04-23-2016, 11:03 PM)PaulP link Wrote:Don't know. Maybe it's not relevant, but Judd and Murph were comparable for clearances in 2011 and 2012 :
2011 : Judd 6.63, Murph 5.38. Both played 24 games.
2012 : Judd 5.76, Murph 5.56. Murph played 16 games, Judd 17.
Murph has definitely gone into his shell. Injuries etc. have definitely taken their toll.
No heart. If that's the case, please retire and free up some cap space for someone that doesn't carry around a shell.