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Re: General Discussions - Thryleon - 04-16-2024 (04-15-2024, 10:44 PM)DJC link Wrote:You must have extraordinary powers of observation to determine people’s intent from a couple of seconds of CCTV footage. Not sure about all of that but that version of events aired on TV showed plenty of footage, before and after of all parties. I've seen messy people before who might look like they're being taken advantage of, and the footage that I've seen of both parties on the night suggests that potentially this is not correct. Want me to explain Lehrmanns credit card? Easy. Did he buy drinks just for Brittany? How would one know who consumed those drinks once they've left the bar? Did Higgins consume them all? Again unsure but as she walked into parliament house on the security footage I've seen with my own eyes, I dont think she was anywhere near out of it. To the contrary she was walking in barefoot, holding her shoes, and able to balance herself quite easily. Now from the transcripts: Quote: Mr Fairweather recalled a general smell of alcohol but did not think that the visitors were overly affected (by which he meant slurring, falling over, vomiting level drunk) so as to be refused entry (Fairweather (at [29]–[32], [62])). He considered the scale of intoxication to be “very moderate” and not “heavily intoxicated” because otherwise he would have refused entry (T1172.4–27). Mr Fairweather, although an experienced security guard, was not a breathalyser in human form. He said at the time they were “half pissed” (Ex R69). I have no doubt his evidence was given genuinely, but without prolonged examination and complete information as to what had occurred earlier in the evening (and although Mr Lehrmann may only have been “half pissed”), he mistakenly but honestly underestimated the extent of the intoxication of Ms Higgins. Similarly, Ms Anderson realised Ms Higgins was intoxicated after she observed her struggling to get her shoes back on coming through the metal detector (Anderson (at [27]–[28])) and later recorded this observation in her incident report (Ex R67). The security guards shared my opinion. Now this was later changed based on what has been perceived to occur. It seeks to absolve and ratify. Absolve security from not realising how drunk she was as well as explain how drunk people can pull it together, but what this does do is actually point to Higgins being no where near completely out to lunch. Was she raped? I dont know. Was she taken advantage of? Maybe. I'm not convinced this is rape, but I wouldn't be putting myself in these situations to begin with, on either side of that fence. Re: General Discussions - Gointocarlton - 04-16-2024 (04-16-2024, 09:00 AM)DJC link Wrote:You might need to fabricate some corroborating evidence and set up some eye witnesses first.All I need is cctv of us going in and out of the room. Then Ill find an "expert lip reader" (farken lol) to say my boss was "seen" saying she wanted to see my boobies in a meeting a room and voila', she's a rapist (on the balance of probability)...apparently. Re: General Discussions - DJC - 04-16-2024 (04-16-2024, 09:30 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:He could take a picture of a bruise on his leg from another time he got drunk and fell over. Only if it was to help the boss's case, as it did with Lehrmann vs Ten. Re: General Discussions - Gointocarlton - 04-16-2024 The case should not have even got to court in the first place, there was no evidence, only the words of two drunks who were as stupid and as ill advised as each other. Speculative BS at best. But the most intriguing fact of all to me is that a security guard allegedly finds Higgins naked the next morning, in an office, in Parliament House no less, without pass and they simply let her get dressed and leave. Turn it up. Surely as a guard who has worked in security there for 12 years, you make her stay exactly where she is, in the state she is in, call the head of security (who should have notified the federal police) and get to the bottom as to why a woman is naked in a Senators office, with no security pass in a drunken state. Clearly a failure by security. Re: General Discussions - madbluboy - 04-17-2024 Quote: Too bad for Higgjns Justice Lee didn't have the courage to after the big dogs. Re: General Discussions - LP - 04-26-2024 I was talking to an associate about domestic violence, they spend some time volunteering in shelters so they see a lot of the effects up close. They mentioned the current media calls for stronger penalties are completely misplaced. The problem is that the offenders are not in a stable mental space already. His fear is then that if the penalties are stronger the situation will become like the regions with death penalties in the US, in those regions offenders (insane as they may be) conclude if you are going to do the time then you may as well do the crime. In domestic violence law this could be very bad for victims. My friend would much rather see the use of monitoring devices for repeat offenders, much like the ankle type trackers used in early release. He said it's very rare that the victims of domestic violence are victims of a first offense. Most of the bad cases turn out to be recidivists. He also said legal papers and orders do nothing, a piece of paper is of no use in defence against a knife, gun or fists of someone who is otherwise not quite right in the head! Re: General Discussions - LP - 05-04-2024 So in a week that the AFL is promoting action against gender violence, Dane Swan posts on social media that Carlton is the Filth's "Little Bitch"! :o Is that accidental or deliberate? Re: General Discussions - Professer E - 05-04-2024 The manner in which Daicos senior carried on after the goal lacked a bit of class. Re: General Discussions - Mantis - 05-04-2024 (04-26-2024, 02:25 AM)LP link Wrote:I was talking to an associate about domestic violence, they spend some time volunteering in shelters so they see a lot of the effects up close. I lived in a house of serious domestic violence for 22 years. I would love to tell people what I experienced but some might not want to hear the reality of what takes place. How it has a long term effect on children. I am happy to tell the story if people want to hear it first hand. How it was resolved after a further 25 years later. Re: General Discussions - Gointocarlton - 05-04-2024 (05-04-2024, 01:12 PM)Professer E link Wrote:The manner in which Daicos senior carried on after the goal lacked a bit of class.I was hoping he would fall out the window actually. He carries on like a pork chop when he is on the sauce, one day he is going to give the wrong bloke the shits and get a smack in the head and everyone will wonder why. |