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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 12-12-2020

Qantas is dead right.  Proof or no uplift at point of departure regardless of the port on THEIR metal.  Effectively, that's an abolition of code share with all their One World partners who issue tickets under the "QF" designator when it is those airlines who own the aircraft ... and there's plenty of them that operate under that arrangement ... and that will enforce those carriers' needs to fall into line with the homegrown initiative lest THEY risk their own liability. 




Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - northernblue - 12-13-2020


Interesting article on the FB group “Blocked by Pete Evans” this morning on the issue of the drug companies seeking to profit and the first world governments prepurchasing a massive stockpile of vaccine at the expense of poorer countries.
I think the gist was that Australia has in excess of 100m doses, whereas the Philippines has enough for 1.5% of their population...

https://www.facebook.com/1508618869400880/posts/2703984163197672/

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 12-13-2020

(12-13-2020, 12:53 AM)northernblue date Wrote:Interesting article on the FB group “Blocked by Pete Evans” this morning on the issue of the drug companies seeking to profit and the first world governments prepurchasing a massive stockpile of vaccine at the expense of poorer countries.
I think the gist was that Australia has in excess of 100m doses, whereas the Philippines has enough for 1.5% of their population...

https://www.facebook.com/1508618869400880/posts/2703984163197672/
Just addressing more Facebook rubbish, things so easily debunked.

Australia has ordered just enough to vaccinate everyone in the country if everyone wanted it, two doses per person that is about 50m.

But it hasn't even been delivered or manufactured yet, so that also shows the idea of stockpiling is just rubbish.

What Western Governments are doing is guaranteeing to manufacturers is that if they setup locally to make the vaccine then they will buy a certain amount of vaccine to cover the setup costs. So at this stage the Aust Government has agreed to purchase up to 50m doses from four potential suppliers, but the UoQ is already out of the race so now that is back to Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca.

The excess doses of that guaranteed purchase of vaccine will be donated to countries that cannot afford to make their own, and in fact Australia is the leader in calling for this to happen! But perhaps Philippines isn't likely to be one of them, as it is easily populous and wealthy enough to make it's own vaccine. However small and poor countries like Fiji, PNG, Cooke Islands, Myanmar, Haiti, Sri Lanka and other poor Pacific Island, Sth American or African states are likely to be recipients.

It's a bit ironic for some on Facebook to claim this is inhumane, it exposes an anti-vaccination position, or vested interests!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - northernblue - 12-13-2020

You didn’t read the link LP.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 12-13-2020

(12-13-2020, 01:52 AM)northernblue date Wrote:You didn’t read the link LP.
Sorry [member=39]northernblue[/member], I was referring to some of the FB claims that prompt that post, I've become a bit too quick to shoot in recent times because the amount of rubbish being posted on FB and Instagram is truly extraordinary.

As for profit, I'm not overly concerned, because Pfizer and Moderna won't get many big buyers as governments know the costs. They aren't going to be able to sell it at 1000% margin like they do some other drugs. And if they want to sell at a margin, 20%, 50 or even 100% it's still going to be way way cheaper than treatment. FWIW, one of the side benefits of this accelerated trial and approval process is that the R&D cost is massively reduced!

But I think you'll find they'll buckle because there will be huge pressure on all their other product lines, they'll be ostracised by the various state regulators.

Astrazeneca (Oxford) are the smart players in this, they are effectively allowing people to gear up at no premium, by offering the vaccine at cost it causes countries to invest in compatible manufacturing technology that gives them a huge advantage going forward when licensing other drugs.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - kruddler - 12-13-2020

I posted about Bill Gates commentary on Covid and vaccinations......from about 4 months ago?

Anyway, short version is he said that all the big companies will charge developed countries as expected....this will allow the companies to make enough of a profit that they will manufacture for the rest of world....even those countries that can't afford it will be covered by the 'rich countries' like us.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 12-13-2020

(12-12-2020, 01:40 AM)LP link Wrote:They are all in quarantine as international arrivals, this is probably the new COVID normal so we better get use to it!

It's a a genuine test of how it's setup and managed.
There should be the following international protocol to return home:
1. quarantine in a hotel at departure port for 14days, two negative tests and you can board.
2. 14 days quarantine on arrival, two negative tests and you can go home.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 12-13-2020

(12-13-2020, 09:58 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:There should be the following international protocol to return home:
1. quarantine in a hotel at departure port for 14days, two negative tests and you can board.
2. 14 days quarantine on arrival, two negative tests and you can go home.
You can be infected the second you leave either quarantine, you can be infected boarding or taking the Uber home, the interval is arbitrary the reason for quarantine is traceability.

The only effective prevention regime is social distancing, masks and a vaccine, everything else is about traceability.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 12-16-2020

"The state government is pushing for pre-flight COVID-19 testing for overseas passengers landing in Melbourne, as seven infected travellers remain in hotel quarantine." - HS

What a great idea.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 12-16-2020

(12-16-2020, 01:33 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:"The state government is pushing for pre-flight COVID-19 testing for overseas passengers landing in Melbourne, as seven infected travellers remain in hotel quarantine." - HS

What a great idea.
How do you police that?

Will you trust all foreign authorities to give passengers the all clear and rubber stamp?

It appears a clear and growing risk is flight crews, and passengers are in intimate contact with them!