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Re: Reset Rants - Lods - 05-02-2018
(05-02-2018, 10:17 AM)PaulP link Wrote:To me, this is part of the problem, this attitude of "you look after your domain, and I'll like after mine." Every bit of the club has to work together, and all have to be working properly towards a common goal, with a common set of values. Bolton is not responsible for everything, but he is the change agent, and the prime mover behind setting values he's learned at the Hawks.
It's a domino thing. One bit of the club affects all the others in some small or significant way.
That's the point though isn't it.
It takes a huge personality to effect that kind of culture change.
I reckon Barassi was able to do that at Carlton North Melbourne and the Swans.
He wasn't able to do the same at Melbourne.
Is Bolton a Barassi?...yet to be seen
But a lot still depends on the level of commitment to that culture change and it's not determined at our level.
It happens in the board rooms and the corridors of the club.
Re: Reset Rants - PaulP - 05-02-2018
(05-02-2018, 10:10 AM)Lods link Wrote:...................................
I remember a time when that was Carlton...and I remember a time when the Swans were a basket case.
I'm not saying it's terminal, but it needs to be fixed.
We won't be a successful club if our membership is crap. We won't be a successful club if key senior football people don't get on. We won't be a successful club if the players do as they please. We won't be a successful club if we don't address development, recruiting etc.
SOS told a story when he started as our recruiting manager that player files were kept in manila folders in a filing cabinet in someone's office, in 2014 ! No computers, no database............
It's beyond embarrassing. The top clubs would never in a million years be in this position.
Re: Reset Rants - madbluboy - 05-02-2018
(05-02-2018, 10:15 AM)Shakin77 link Wrote:Traded out a total of 0 players for picks during that period.
And?
We didn't need more picks we had 3 straight number 1 selections.
We embraced the draft and it didn't work.
Re: Reset Rants - Shakin77 - 05-02-2018
(05-02-2018, 10:27 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:And?
We didn't need more picks we had 3 straight number 1 selections.
We embraced the draft and it didn't work.
And ......................... it's not the same as this rebuild in that this time we have traded out players in our best 22.
You know when you post "we have been rebuilding for 10 years blah blah blah it's not the same. We didn't trade out a 28 year old Camporeale. Matty Lappin. Even Houlihan and Whitnall when Melbourne came stiffing.
We embraced the draft. Yeap.
Re: Reset Rants - Thryleon - 05-02-2018
(05-02-2018, 10:40 AM)Shakin77 link Wrote:And ......................... it's not the same as this rebuild in that this time we have traded out players in our best 22.
You know when you post "we have been rebuilding for 10 years blah blah blah it's not the same. We didn't trade out a 28 year old Camporeale. Matty Lappin. Even Houlihan and Whitnall when Melbourne came stiffing.
We embraced the draft. Yeap.
We didn't have much to trade back then. Remember when hawthorn were hunting Brett Thornton? Should have traded him.
Re: Reset Rants - Shakin77 - 05-02-2018
(05-02-2018, 10:47 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:We didn't have much to trade back then. Remember when hawthorn were hunting Brett Thornton? Should have traded him.
2 2nd round draft picks.
Whitnall was close to going ot Melbourne at one stage. His doing.
Houla the same. Melbourne again.
Campo left in the pre-season draft
But you are right. We had very few assests.
Re: Reset Rants - jeza - 05-02-2018
(05-02-2018, 09:47 AM)PaulP link Wrote:The impression I get from reading these recent posts is that it's a case of "let's get good players into the men's seniors, start winning games of footy, and the rest will look after itself." I don't think that's the beginning and end point for Bolton and Co.
In my view, a properly reset club would not have had the salary cap saga. A properly reset club would not have had a player revolt under Pagan, with the tail wagging the dog, or at least would have sorted it quickly and behind closed doors. A properly reset club would not have had the same recruiting team in place for far too long, despite delivering poor results. A properly reset club would not have had a situation under Ratten where the GM of Football (Icke) and Ratts had a sh1t relationship, ditto Ratts and Justin Cordy, both of which were allowed to fester when they should have been sorted out quickly. A properly reset club would not have had the Malthouse package deal / lazy rebuild, where you get Mick, plus Daisy, plus Buttifant etc. You do your due diligence and check each individual properly, not just because some senior person e.g the coach wants them.
Ask yourselves this - could you see the Hawks being dragged down by these types of situations ? Could you genuinely see these situations developing at the Swans ?
What has any of that got to do with Bolton and co?
I don't understand your post at all. To dredge up everything that went wrong in the last decade is pointless.
The point of the reset is lo leave all that crap behind - surely?
Re: Reset Rants - PaulP - 05-02-2018
(05-02-2018, 10:54 AM)jeza link Wrote:What has any of that got to do with Bolton and co?
I don't understand your post at all. To dredge up everything that went wrong in the last decade is pointless.
The point of the reset is lo leave all that crap behind - surely?
You don't just "leave problems behind" - they don't fix themselves. Don't you think that he's inherited some of the fall out of those problems ?
My post is crystal clear - you don't just fix the men's senior team. You fix the whole club.
Re: Reset Rants - jeza - 05-02-2018
Your post is Bolton is supposed to fix Malthouse and Ratten era issues?
How? You have some specific things that should have been done by now that haven't?
Re: Reset Rants - Baggers - 05-02-2018
(05-02-2018, 11:12 AM)jeza link Wrote:Your post is Bolton is supposed to fix Malthouse and Ratten era issues?
How? You have some specific things that should have been done by now that haven't?
I think PP is, rightly so, pointing out an ingrained culture, a culture of deep dysfunction, a culture that BB inherited.