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Re: RD 7 : Blues V Giants (Pre-Match Pre-Amble) - townsendcalling - 05-16-2015
Anyone going early to catch the magoos???
Re: RD 7 : Blues V Giants (Pre-Match Pre-Amble) - ItsOurTime - 05-16-2015
(05-16-2015, 12:06 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:It's not hypothetical.
They built a team with young players whilst trying to win games.
They didn't drop Luke power whilst trying to blood youngsters, and have brought in mature recruits to make sure that spots are earned not gifted.
What you are advocating is quite different and is a hypothetical in itself.
Mind you this exact practice of gifting games to youngsters is exactly what we grumble about when Pagan sacked all our senior players realised his mistake too late tried to recruit some older leaders and the result is the Carlton Football Club as it exists today.
But you think it's going to be okay provided we sack the coach so I understand why this concept doesn't make sense to you.
There's a balance, you need older players to help in the transition. You know, experience.
Re: RD 7 : Blues V Giants (Pre-Match Pre-Amble) - blue4life - 05-16-2015
(05-15-2015, 07:26 AM)Vivian link Wrote:The popular understanding of what is ostensively called a rebuild is flawed. Playing youngsters on the crieteria of being young, with potential and requiring experience is flawed if it is the primary basis for selection. When does it stop? And if it does, and a club then decides to suuddenly try and win games, it must change its criteria for selection.
Playing blokes for the sake of it, along with atrocious recruiting, has got us to where we are now.
Sean Hampson was on our list for 7 years and played 50+ games, how he managed to do either will forever remain a mystery to me.
This is Denis Armfield's 8th season and David Ellard's 7th, let that sink in for a while.
Rebuilds require solid bricks, and we don't have any.
Re: RD 7 : Blues V Giants (Pre-Match Pre-Amble) - PassIt2Carrots - 05-16-2015
(05-16-2015, 12:06 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:It's not hypothetical.
They built a team with young players whilst trying to win games.
Which is exactly what we can do.
Quote:They didn't drop Luke power whilst trying to blood youngsters, and have brought in mature recruits to make sure that spots are earned not gifted.
You can have a mix no doubt, but playing blokes like Ellard and Armfield ahead of a Nick Graham is criminal, and far from creating a winning culture.
Quote:What you are advocating is quite different and is a hypothetical in itself.
How? Please explain.
Quote:Mind you this exact practice of gifting games to youngsters is exactly what we grumble about when Pagan sacked all our senior players realised his mistake too late tried to recruit some older leaders and the result is the Carlton Football Club as it exists today.
Absolute pure deflection at it's best. What exactly does this have to do with playing a bloke like Nick Graham?
Quote:But you think it's going to be okay provided we sack the coach so I understand why this concept doesn't make sense to you.
It's so funny, anything that questions Malthouse's methods you argue to the death. It's a losing argument. Let it go. He has failed, and he wont be here much longer. He will be remembered as a failure at Carlton, you can take that to the bank.
Re: RD 7 : Blues V Giants (Pre-Match Pre-Amble) - blue4life - 05-16-2015
(05-16-2015, 04:13 AM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:You can have a mix no doubt, but playing blokes like Ellard and Armfield ahead of a Nick Graham is criminal, and far from creating a winning culture.
While I agree that Armfield and Ellard are sub standard they are still on our senior list and it would send a terrible message to all the players if we told them that they wouldn't be considered for senior selection six rounds into a season.
Teams should be picked solely on merit in my opinion and if Ellard or Armfield have shown better form than Graham they should get the gig ahead of him, if players don't have to earn senior games they don't value them.
The young players who were dropped this week did squat against Brisbane although I thought that Smith and Buckley at least showed some initiative, so I think it's fair enough that they go back to the VFL and work hard to get back into the seniors.
I think it's a better balanced side this week and I'm hoping for a win.
Re: RD 7 : Blues V Giants (Pre-Match Pre-Amble) - cookie2 - 05-16-2015
Cripps out! Don't know any more yet.
Calf tightness - Ellard comes in.
Re: RD 7 : Blues V Giants (Pre-Match Pre-Amble) - Micky0 - 05-16-2015
No Cripps and maybe no Daisy
Re: RD 7 : Blues V Giants (Pre-Match Pre-Amble) - Thryleon - 05-16-2015
(05-16-2015, 04:13 AM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:Which is exactly what we can do.
You can have a mix no doubt, but playing blokes like Ellard and Armfield ahead of a Nick Graham is criminal, and far from creating a winning culture.
How? Please explain.
Absolute pure deflection at it's best. What exactly does this have to do with playing a bloke like Nick Graham?
It's so funny, anything that questions Malthouse's methods you argue to the death. It's a losing argument. Let it go. He has failed, and he wont be here much longer. He will be remembered as a failure at Carlton, you can take that to the bank.
Mate, you argued playing kids because we were not trying to win.
Now you are just trying to change your argument.
Your contention is change the coach to win games because our gameplan is no good.
applying your argument to Nick Graham doesn't work. He's done enough to play seniors and I don't know why he isn't playing but that is not a mutually exclusive point in this discussion.
Re: RD 7 : Blues V Giants (Pre-Match Pre-Amble) - bignic - 05-16-2015
After last Sunday, couldn't bring myself to go today. Will watch on Fox Footy.
Just heard Cripps is out, and they replace him with Ellard. Bugger me.
Nick Graham must have aids :-\ :-\
Re: RD 7 : Blues V Giants (Pre-Match Pre-Amble) - bignic - 05-16-2015
Or the Ebola virus.
