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Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - laj - 05-02-2015
(05-02-2015, 10:55 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:x2....Was playing at VFL pace and looked slow, Pendlebury is probably the best mid in the comp at the minute given Ablett is out and it was a tough ask coming in cold.
Worst thing we can do is drop him, I might have tempted to play him off half back after half time and let him take a lesser opponent to build some confidence...
I like (sarcastically) how we put him on Pendlebury first game. Who was the bright spark that thought of that idea.
Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-02-2015
(05-02-2015, 11:16 AM)laj link Wrote:I like (sarcastically) how we put him on Pendlebury first game. Who was the bright spark that thought of that idea.
I suggested and endosed that move would happen pre game given Whiley had done a good job on Ablett when playing for GWS....it was good in theory but Whileys lack of senior match practice
really had him off the pace even though he had form in the VFL. I would have moved him off Pendlebury earlier when he was getting towelled up, thought Mick left him there too long and his confidence like his fitness expired. Was better after half time but he was shot mentally...needs some more game time and I think he will be ok, he doesnt shirk contests and is a willing worker and we need to persist with him.
Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - blue4life - 05-02-2015
(05-02-2015, 10:47 AM)Juddkreuzer link Wrote:That's already the case whether we sack MM or not. Our recruiting of recent times has left us with a team that would struggle against the Carlton teams post salary cap sanctions. We are in for a Game of Thrones style winter.
Our recruiting has been poor for a very long time and we are paying the price.
We never took the draft seriously in Elliott's day and traded picks willy nilly, we've never really got the hang of it or invested enough resources into identifying young talent.
I remember watching Luke Livingstone's first game and wondering what it was about him that made the club think he was worth our first pick, I've had the same feeling watching the likes of Bootsma, Hampson and Watson in more recent times.
Shaun Burgoyne, Daniel Kerr, Drew Petrie, Kane Cornes, Dom Cassisi, Scott Thompson, Josh Hunt, Graham Johncock and Ted Richards all went after our first three picks in that 2000 draft, we took Livingstone, Trent Sporn and Simon Wiggins in the first 15, Ash McGrath went at 13.
We took Sporn the pick before Burgoyne back then, and a few years ago we took Lucas the pick before Talia, we've just never got it right.
Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-02-2015
(05-02-2015, 12:39 PM)blue4life link Wrote:Our recruiting has been poor for a very long time and we are paying the price.
We never took the draft seriously in Elliott's day and traded picks willy nilly, we've never really got the hang of it or invested enough resources into identifying young talent.
I remember watching Luke Livingstone's first game and wondering what it was about him that made the club think he was worth our first pick, I've had the same feeling watching the likes of Bootsma, Hampson and Watson in more recent times.
Shaun Burgoyne, Daniel Kerr, Drew Petrie, Kane Cornes, Dom Cassisi, Scott Thompson, Josh Hunt, Graham Johncock and Ted Richards all went after our first three picks in that 2000 draft, we took Livingstone, Trent Sporn and Simon Wiggins in the first 15, Ash McGrath went at 13.
We took Sporn the pick before Burgoyne back then, and a few years ago we took Lucas the pick before Talia, we've just never got it right.
The 2000 draft was a shocker...to be fair to Livingston he had a serious abdominal injury and never really recovered......
Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - Mantis - 05-02-2015
Our picks are a little bit more than just bad luck here and there. We really haven't found any gems in years. While other clubs have picked like specialists. Our trade with players hasn't been great, and then we have lost players for nothing. This is probably where our troubles have begun in the first place. No wonder our stocks look cheap at best. Sure we have had a few good decisions, but few and far between. I still can't see what we have in Dick, Tutt and Jones. I know I should give them a chance and I will do so. If we had Laidler, Betts and Waite, I am convinced we would not have as many problems as we do at the moment. Lucas is another one I shake my head at daily. What a bad week to give up smoking.
Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - blue4life - 05-02-2015
(05-02-2015, 12:41 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:The 2000 draft was a shocker...to be fair to Livingston he had a serious abdominal injury and never really recovered......
There are players from that draft still playing top football, Burgoyne played in a premiership side last year and Thompson won Adelaide's B&F and has been AA, we would have killed for Drew Petrie or Ted Richards at any time in the last 10 years.
The only current ten year players we have drafted are Simmo and Walks, the rest have disappeared without a trace.
We might have finally got one right with Cripps but I'm not convinced that trading pick 7 for Jacksch was good value, time will tell.
Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - ItsOurTime - 05-02-2015
Zero chance Richards would still be playing AFL if he was at Carlton
Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-02-2015
(05-02-2015, 01:08 PM)blue4life link Wrote:There are players from that draft still playing top football, Burgoyne played in a premiership side last year and Thompson won Adelaide's B&F and has been AA, we would have killed for Drew Petrie or Ted Richards at any time in the last 10 years.
The only current ten year players we have drafted are Simmo and Walks, the rest have disappeared without a trace.
We might have finally got one right with Cripps but I'm not convinced that trading pick 7 for Jacksch was good value, time will tell.
Jaksch, Whiley and Boekhorst for pick 7 is one that will create a fair few threads in the future either way it works out......I supported the trade and still do.
All three have their issues to overcome but as Meatloaf said two out of three aint bad and I reckon thats what you are hoping for in that type of deal.
Jaksch vs White was a draw, Whiley had a shocker first up and poor Boekhorst came on when we were getting pumped and while he tried hard he was just
swept aside in the avalanche of Collingwood players getting numbers to the footy...
Reckon Jaksch and the Boeky man can be useful players if we can get them settled.....Whiley may take a bit longer to rebuild his confidence...
I like Boekhorst forward and reckon he could be the crumbing goalkicker we need if Mick could settle him there...
Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - laj - 05-02-2015
(05-02-2015, 01:31 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Jaksch, Whiley and Boekhorst for pick 7 is one that will create a fair few threads in the future either way it works out......I supported the trade and still do.
All three have their issues to overcome but as Meatloaf said two out of three aint bad and I reckon thats what you are hoping for in that type of deal.
Jaksch vs White was a draw, Whiley had a shocker first up and poor Boekhorst came on when we were getting pumped and while he tried hard he was just
swept aside in the avalanche of Collingwood players getting numbers to the footy...
Reckon Jaksch and the Boeky man can be useful players if we can get them settled.....Whiley may take a bit longer to rebuild his confidence...
I like Boekhorst forward and reckon he could be the crumbing goalkicker we need if Mick could settle him there...
Yes, putting Whiley on Pendlebury first game didn't exactly smack of intelligence.
Re: Carlton pasted by Pies (Post Game) - blue4life - 05-02-2015
(05-02-2015, 01:31 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Reckon Jaksch and the Boeky man can be useful players if we can get them settled....
You could be right Elwood but what would you rather, two useful players or one top liner?
There have been some awfully good footballers drafted around pick 7, Yarran was 6.
A win in this trade for me would mean that at least one of them plays 150 games.