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Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - Baggers - 08-13-2024
(08-13-2024, 08:12 AM)Micky0 link Wrote:Agree however since they rushed Cotters and cerra back too early and made George and Kennedy subs, something started to stink….
Yep, sure did... rushed these two back (and others since) while we had a kid tearing it up in the Magoos (Binns) who couldn't get a look in. Then, as you point out, all manner of strange MC decisions. And before that, remember the GWS game? Up by almost 7 gls and blew it... definite signs of bathwater drinking and inflated egos. And how have we done since that game?
As PaulP noted, finger pointing and looking for one simplistic scapegoat may not be all that fruitful. Almost seems like a perfect storm of a good number of 'odd' decisions culminated to deliver what we have now.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - madbluboy - 08-13-2024
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/battered-bruised-almost-broken-how-carlton-s-season-has-soured-20240812-p5k1uu.html
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - Baggers - 08-13-2024
(08-13-2024, 08:56 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V27Hr7LMJ3o
I watched that YT clip also but didn't get much from it as Caro, Cornes and Hutchy were all talking over each other.
The best analyses of our woes I found coming from Jordan Lewis and Luke Hodge. Worth a watch. Something about the perspectives from those who've been there and done it that has more credibility.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - Gointocarlton - 08-13-2024
(08-13-2024, 01:35 PM)pinot link Wrote:Tim Clarke to move on that opens the door for Ebert or Lonergan. Just not good enough in the coalface this year. We allowed the ball move to the outside from stoppage so easily and so frequentlyIs that due to coaching or our lack of leg speed?
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - Gointocarlton - 08-13-2024
(08-13-2024, 10:41 PM)Baggers link Wrote:I watched that YT clip also but didn't get much from it as Caro, Cornes and Hutchy were all talking over each other.I have long wished for us to try and lure Hodge as an assistant. His football mind is second to none. A sniping dog as a player but a brilliant football mind who knows how to articulate it to players.
The best analyses of our woes I found coming from Jordan Lewis and Luke Hodge. Worth a watch. Something about the perspectives from those who've been there and done it that has more credibility.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - LP - 08-13-2024
(08-13-2024, 10:41 PM)Baggers date Wrote:I watched that YT clip also but didn't get much from it as Caro, Cornes and Hutchy were all talking over each other.Many of our issues are collision injuries, not the "Fitness" issue Hunchy, Caro and the other ambulance chasers want to paint.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - Gointocarlton - 08-13-2024
(08-13-2024, 11:43 PM)LP link Wrote:Many of our issues are collision injuries, not the "Fitness" issue Hunchy, Caro and the other ambulance chasers want to paint.And Russell is not a miracle worker, I would like to see how someone like Martin is managed at his next club if we in fact move him on. Couldnt get him on the park at GC, we havent been able to get him on the park either, there is a common denominator here. Same for Marchbank, Cunningham, Fantasia etc.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - LP - 08-14-2024
(08-13-2024, 11:54 PM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:And Russell is not a miracle worker, I would like to see how someone like Martin is managed at his next club if we in fact move him on. Couldnt get him on the park at GC, we havent been able to get him on the park either, there is a common denominator here. Same for Marchbank, Cunningham, Fantasia etc.Fans won't have a bar of the criticism, but SOS recruited a bunch of these blokes, as you mention fitness staff aren't miracle workers.
Names are overrated, I'm worried the same is about to happen with the Campo kids.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-14-2024
(08-13-2024, 11:54 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:And Russell is not a miracle worker, I would like to see how someone like Martin is managed at his next club if we in fact move him on. Couldnt get him on the park at GC, we havent been able to get him on the park either, there is a common denominator here. Same for Marchbank, Cunningham, Fantasia etc.Its been a bit of an ongoing joke that these injury prone players we have wouldnt have played many games together but its a sad reality of what the S&C staff as well as coaches and MC have had to deal with and we have been running with a smaller list than most other clubs for years now in terms of availability and its come back to bite us.
For me its a recruiting and list management issue and Russell is a more minor issue, its just a shame its all come to a head in a season we were a genuine premiership contender. Core Players who needed a rest cant have one becuase we have such a large group of permanently injured players we have to carry and we lack depth in key areas.
The lack of KP depth is appalling imo.....just gambling with fate that Charlie, Harry and Weitering never get injured was always a high risk strategy and this mania for recruiting wingman and small bodied players is frustrating.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - Gointocarlton - 08-14-2024
(08-14-2024, 02:06 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Its been a bit of an ongoing joke that these injury prone players we have wouldnt have played many games together but its a sad reality of what the S&C staff as well as coaches and MC have had to deal with and we have been running with a smaller list than most other clubs for years now in terms of availability and its come back to bite us.The above is both well summarised and undeniable.
For me its a recruiting and list management issue and Russell is a more minor issue, its just a shame its all come to a head in a season we were a genuine premiership contender. Core Players who needed a rest cant have one becuase we have such a large group of permanently injured players we have to carry and we lack depth in key areas.
The lack of KP depth is appalling imo.....just gambling with fate that Charlie, Harry and Weitering never get injured was always a high risk strategy and this mania for recruiting wingman and small bodied players is frustrating.