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Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - kruddler - 05-26-2023
(05-26-2023, 06:05 AM)LP link Wrote:Nobody has stated he's getting a gig was undeserved, but that doesn't take away from his recent ineffectiveness in some of the roles the club has asked him to do, it's not his fault, it's MC stupidity!
Fans calling for him to be 2nd ruck better hope they do not get what they are asking for, I've written it before and I'll write it again the ruck is prematurely ending his career and not through injury. If he is going to be purely judged in our playing him as a ruck it's slur on his good name, because despite all the good effort he brings he is not up to it!
He can be an effective HFF, Wing or perhaps even a tagger. All roles he has done well in, but in 2023 under the way the game is being adjudicated ruck is over as an option for him.
We(Carlton) hurt a lot of players by not managing them in a horses for coarses approach, in my opinion Scott at the Handbaggers are the best in the business at having the right player in the right role and managing them through the season. I hope Cook brings some of it and makes players understand they can't all be the big show!
You seem to think 2nd ruck is his primary focus. Its not.
He plays there for (at most) 1/4 of the game.
He spends slightly less time on the bench.
But over half his game is played in his primary role of forward.
Do we use him well enough as a forward....not really. We don't target him much at all as we are too Charlie/Harry focused.
If we played him out of the square (with his 3rd defender) and cleared some room for him, and actually kicked him the ball, he'd go ok. But thats not what we do.
We expect him to get the ball the hard way...off the deck, or through defensive efforts.
I'd like to see a breakdown of forward 50 targets of all our forwards. I suspect that Jack and the 3 small forwards combine for less than 1/3 of all targets, possibly less than 1/4, with the 2 big blokes getting up to 2/3->3/4's of the targets.
Makes it hard for him to have an impact in his primary role when they don't kick him the ball.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - LP - 05-26-2023
(05-26-2023, 06:18 AM)kruddler date Wrote:You seem to think 2nd ruck is his primary focus. Its not.In a bad 1/4 of a game our day is often done, so I don't think we need to go further than that in analysis!
He plays there for (at most) 1/4 of the game.
AFL is hard enough without given the opposition a 1/4 head start, regardless of whether it's the 1st-1/4 or the Last-1/4!
Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - kruddler - 05-26-2023
(05-26-2023, 06:38 AM)LP link Wrote:In a bad 1/4 of a game our day is often done, so I don't think we need to go further than that in analysis!
AFL is hard enough without given the opposition a 1/4 head start, regardless of whether it's the 1st-1/4 or the Last-1/4!
You do realise its for 5 minutes at a time, not an entire quarter block right.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - LP - 05-26-2023
(05-26-2023, 06:42 AM)kruddler date Wrote:You do realise its for 5 minutes at a time, not an entire quarter block right.I'm a bit vague, getting old, but was that 3 or 4 Filth goals in the 5 minutes while SoJ rucked? :o
It's absurd that you are prepared to surrender even 5 minutes to create a role for SoJ.
AFL isn't a charity, we don't want everyone to have a fair go, we want to dominate the opposition all day every day, not give them a holiday once a quarter!
Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - kruddler - 05-26-2023
(05-26-2023, 06:56 AM)LP link Wrote:I'm a bit vague, getting old, but was that 3 or 4 Filth goals in the 5 minutes while SoJ rucked? :o
It's absurd that you are prepared to surrender even 5 minutes to create a role for SoJ.
AFL isn't a charity, we don't want everyone to have a fair go, we want to dominate the opposition all day every day, not give them a holiday once a quarter!
Their first goal from that run...
1. Jack lost the hitout and we lost the clearance
But we won back possession at HB, and then gave away a free kick and a 50m penalty. NOT Jacks fault.
2. Jack won the hitout, they got the ball and the clearance....and a goal. Walsh was ball watching while his opponent left him and read it better.
3. Jack lost the hitout. Went to ground. Cripps was on Nick Daicos who just let him go, and couldn't go with him who picked it up off the bounce and was away. Cripps was poor in this instance. Ball pinged around for 5 minutes before they got a goal, ultimately from cripps turnover (on which Jack used his smarts to tap to advantage in a 50-50 contest).
But sure, lets blame Jack for all of that.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - kruddler - 05-26-2023
Ed is the sub tonight.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - madbluboy - 05-26-2023
Let's go Blues!!
Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - pinot - 05-26-2023
Shame Fogs not sub
Re: AFL Rd 11 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - madbluboy - 05-26-2023
Parker's head is bandaged before match wtf?