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Re: Pandemic Management bill. Health and well-being Act 2021. - capcom - 12-03-2021
(12-03-2021, 10:00 PM)Lods link Wrote:It works for the USA.
Not at the moment it ain't ... Trump was a typhoon, Biden is far more dangerous. At maybe the most vulnerable time in their history. Think about it, it's the thing ...
Re: Pandemic Management bill. Health and well-being Act 2021. - Lods - 12-03-2021
(12-03-2021, 11:30 PM)capcom link Wrote:Not at the moment it ain't ... Trump was a typhoon, Biden is far more dangerous. At maybe the most vulnerable time in their history. Think about it, it's the thing ...
It's probably better discussed in the US political thread so we can move that discussion there.
The thing is Biden is probably being 'controlled' to a large extent by those around him.
In the end it's those folks making the decisions.
Trump wasn't so restricted and acted on whims.
Re: Pandemic Management bill. Health and well-being Act 2021. - LP - 12-03-2021
While I understand much of the angst towards politicians, it is far from simplistic as those that espouse voting along party lines, in fact voting along party lines basically creates most of the problems they rally against.
In my own electorate for the first time ever we have a female non-conservative incumbent. I'm not really a party line voter, and I might be indifferent to Andrews or Guy or both in the wider picture, but for the first time in years I have someone local to myself actually doing stuff and getting it done in our electorate. This comes after years and years of a procession of systematically and mindlessly voted in conservative candidates who basically behaved as placeholders for the next, making few mistakes because they basically did very little or nothing at all!
There isn't a chance in hell I'll vote out someone locally who is actually working for me no matter which party they are from, just to get "a someone" out of some remote big chair who's opinion I read in a newspaper and disagree with, I ain't that stupid!
Finally, the continual anti-party negative whinging in the absence of discussing performance and actions of individuals, just makes the whingers sound more "Moving Pictures rather than Mother Teresa!"
Re: Pandemic Management bill. Health and well-being Act 2021. - Mav - 12-04-2021
You seem to have a Gilligan's Island view of politics, Mantis. If Ginger doesn't like what the Skipper is wanting to do, of course she can walk over to his hut and have a chat. It aint so easy when there are millions of constituents. Representative democracy is the way we deal with that problem. The local member is the first port of call. The local member even has an office in the electorate which makes it that much easier to engage with him or her.
Your litmus test of judging politicians is pretty loaded against the sitting government. The government is busy with running a State. The opposition is busy trying to rally malcontents and keep any stories about sexual harassment under wraps. Naturally, anyone who has a bone to pick with the Government will find a friendly ear in opposition ranks. This is magnified in this case as anti-vaxxers presumably have been bombarding government officials and ALP members with accusations and demands over this Bill but on the other hand the majority who support it have no particular reason to lobby Matthew Guy. How many letters, emails, and texts do you think the Government has received from "concerned citizens"?
But just because the Premier hasn't engaged personally with you doesn't mean he hasn't provided you with information. After all, the Bill itself is publicly available as I assume the explanatory memoranda would be. If you collated everything disseminated by the government, you'd have a little bit to work with. On the other hand, an independent member of the Legislative Council doesn't have the same ability to broadcast his or her positions. Naturally, they'll be happy to respond to individuals seeking them out. Obtaining a few handfuls of votes at the next election can keep them going if preferences fall their way.
While it makes sense to ask independents about their position on something like this Bill, it makes absolutely no sense to write to the Premier and ask his position. You already know it. Were your questions more rhetorical, such as "How dare you steal our freedoms?"
While you're entitled to your opinions, it's probably a fair bet that they are pretty well covered by feedback the Government has already received from talkback callers, journos, lawyers, academics, human rights organisations, government watchdogs and the AMA amongst many others.
Here's an interesting experiment for you though. Why not ring up Matthew Guy and try to engage him in a debate over something he won't agree with at all. Maybe ring up and call on him to commit to reducing corporate welfare or tightening planning rules to stop developers having the upper hand. Just pick a topic that appeals to you. See how much he engages with you over such matters.
Re: Pandemic Management bill. Health and well-being Act 2021. - LP - 12-04-2021
(12-04-2021, 01:16 AM)Mav date Wrote:Here's an interesting experiment for you though. Why not ring up Matthew Guy and try to engage him in a debate over something he won't agree with at all. Maybe ring up and call on him to commit to reducing corporate welfare or tightening planning rules to stop developers having the upper hand. Just pick a topic that appeals to you. See how much he engages with you over such matters.Guy has already kyboshed potential candidates for seats who had publicly touted for stronger controls and new rules on foreign investment. Somewhat ironic given the public rock throwing anti-China messaging around the belt and road stuff, Guys actions and those of the Feds do not match the words, but the Dan haters seem oblivious to the fact that the words say no but the signatures say yes!
https://youtu.be/3Z0QUygjr2w?t=141
Re: Pandemic Management bill. Health and well-being Act 2021. - madbluboy - 12-04-2021
Haters, whingers, play the ball LP.
Re: Pandemic Management bill. Health and well-being Act 2021. - LP - 12-04-2021
(12-04-2021, 03:35 AM)madbluboy date Wrote:Haters, whingers, play the ball LP.It's just my honest perspective of what I think when I hear or read repeated and obvious party line complaints, complaints that seem to ignore individual performance or local perspectives. That sort of language is a tell, psychologists refer to it as using inclusive language. ie., Tarring everyone with the same brush, that's what voting on party lines does!
Like I said, I don't vote along party lines, and as I mentioned if some local member is doing the good job by their own electorate I won't kybosh them just because I don't like what their boss says or does on some remote issue!
I stand by the concept that voting out for the sake of voting out is a foolish tactic, you have to identify someone worth voting for or else the net result is a lowering of standards, a race to the bottom of the barrel!
Re: Pandemic Management bill. Health and well-being Act 2021. - Macca37 - 12-04-2021
(12-02-2021, 04:26 PM)capcom link Wrote:Only cost Victorians a billion dollars in breaking the contract !!
The project that back in 2013 was expected to cost $15 billion to complete and had the Federal Government offering $5 billion towards the cost .
It was the project that received a scathing report from the Victorian Auditor-General because the business model offered such a poor return for each dollar spent.
In caretaker mode, facing a wipeout at that election, the then LNP Government signed a secret deal with the contractor ensuring a payment of $1 billion to the contractor if the project were to be cancelled.
It was an act of straight out blackmail to force the expected incoming ALP government to proceed with a project that had a failed business case.
Re: Pandemic Management bill. Health and well-being Act 2021. - Professer E - 12-04-2021
It was a calculated, utter dog act from a bunch of people with no ethics and a non existent moral compass.
Re: Pandemic Management bill. Health and well-being Act 2021. - Mav - 12-04-2021
True, Macca. It was a pretty obvious attempt to tie the hands of the incoming Labor Government and create a "hole" in Labor's explanation of how it would pay for its promises. Perhaps if Labor looks like losing the next election, it should sign contracts for building an array of new schools and hospitals with penalty clauses requiring the State to pay $10b damages if the Liberals rip up those contracts.