+- Carlton Supporters Club (http://new.carltonsc.com)
+-- Forum: Princes Park (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-4.html)
+--- Forum: Robert Heatley Stand (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-14.html)
+--- Thread: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs (/thread-5209.html)
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Lods - 05-10-2021
(05-10-2021, 10:41 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Funny you say that, I thought the same thing at the Brisbane game. They warmed up right in front of us at the start and after half time and I commented to the Mrs how thick in quad and butt area they looked compared to our blokes. Dunno if it was the white shorts but they looked like bulls. As you say though, 4 qtrs is the key. A win on Sunday could have catapulted our season, instead...
We have a few big guys in key positions but a lot of our mid-fielders and flankers are lightly framed.
It's the type of player we recruited, and many have a body type that won't bulk up.
Is the emphasis in our training more about speed and endurance, rather than strength and power.
Sure there is obviously a balance there, but the physicality some sides bring against us seems to be a factor in many of those runs and defeats.
We were pretty much 'monstered' in that last quarter on the weekend.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-10-2021
(05-10-2021, 11:04 PM)Lods link Wrote:We have a few big guys in key positions but a lot of our mid-fielders and flankers are lightly framed.Agree, we lack big bodied strong players across the list apart from our taller types.
It's the type of player we recruited, and many have a body type that won't bulk up.
Is the emphasis in our training more about speed and endurance, rather than strength and power.
Sure there is obviously a balance there, but the physicality some sides bring against us seems to be a factor in many of those runs and defeats.
We were pretty much 'monstered' in that last quarter on the weekend.
Everyone has said we played well for three quarters but for all that were only in front by a couple of goals at 3/4 time.
Its the classic struggling team vs better team scenario you see often and in in our glory days we were the ones who ran away with those games and over powered teams.
We looked schooboyish, lacking in fitness in the last quarter and our leadership isn't good enough.
The Bont goal where no one stood the mark was a sign we had switched off, given up and were waiting for the other bloke to do the work.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - LoveNavy - 05-11-2021
"dropped off "
"given up"
"stopped"
"waiting for the other bloke"
"switched off"
"sleeping"
This happens for a quarter of footy far too often. Develop the skill to remain motivated and focused for 4q and we'll be "where we want to be"
I expect several mental and physical factors are contributing. Those charged with the task of winning have work ahead. Hopefully they're on to it ?
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - capcom - 05-11-2021
The WBs had so many unattended players in the last quarter and a half, it was staggering.
We were insipid and couldn't even do the basics. The defence were more than OK but wtf is that worth when the WB drive forward had more bloody avenues than a Melways.
That is inexcusable coaching and an indictment in recruiting standards.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - blueboys_1 - 05-11-2021
(05-10-2021, 09:34 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Was thinking about this, is Teague better off coaching from the bench? Would it allow him to deliver messages quicker to the players in situations like Sunday?
Beveridge was on the bench and very animated during the game. Thought this was very unusual at the time. Is he normally down on the bench coaching from there?
Though it was a bit of a panic move to come down to the bench.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Milhanna13 - 05-11-2021
(05-10-2021, 07:40 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:From Jay Clark in the HS, a breakdown of what happened and when:
How did the disaster play out? Jay Clark takes an in-depth look at each goal and what went wrong for the Blues.
3 MIN 15 SEC REMAINING Q3
Josh Bruce goal
Car 82 WB 61
A Liam Stocker turnover in the middle of the ground was costly as Caleb Daniel found Lachie Hunter all alone with a surgical kick to the forward flank. Hunter, who played on with a broken hand, kicked long to Josh Bruce who outmarked Lachie Plowman 15m from goal.
1 MIN 30 SEC REM Q3
Aaron Naughton goal
Car 82 WB 68
What an effort from the Dogs’ star spearhead. Naughton produced a desperate chase on Adam Saad to force the Blues’ speedster into a kicking error and then took a big pack mark at the top of the goal square from the kick back inside 50m from Easton Wood. It was a strong grab from Naughton who plucked the ball either side of Jacob Weitering and Liam Jones in the marking contest.
15 MIN 20 SEC REM Q4
Lachie Hunter goal
Car 83 WB 74
The Blues were pinned down in their back half when Adam Saad gave away two free kicks. Saad first pushed Lachie McNeil in the back and then caught Lachie Hunter high as the Dogs’ ballwinner swivelled and leant in with his head to draw the high contact 35m from goal. Nice set shot from Hunter to slot his second major.
13 MIN 40 SEC REM Q4
Marcus Bontempelli goal
Car 83 WB 80
The Dogs built this one up from half back where Bailey Dale hit Caleb Daniel with a 50m bullet to the wing. Zaine Cordy and Mitch Hannan linked up on the wing before skipper Marcus Bontempelli took another contested mark at the top of the goal square in front of Liam Jones. Josh Bruce bodied Liam Stocker out of the way so Stocker couldn’t spoil from the side and there was no other aerial support for Jones. Also no Carlton player stood the mark for the Bontempelli set shot from point blank range.
7 MIN 40 SEC REM Q4
Aaron Naughton goal
Car 84 WB 88
A loopy kick from Michael Gibbons on the wing was quickly repelled as Marcus Bontempelli off two steps produced a dazzling pass to Jason Johannisen tight on the boundary line. Johannisen then kicked to the advantage of Naughton who was too strong for Matthew Parks over the back in a one-on-one marking contest. The 35m set shot continued the Dogs’ hot run.
6 MIN 50 SEC REM Q4
Anthony Scott goal
Car 84 WB 94
Adam Treloar fought hard inside the centre square to continue the annihilation out of the middle. Jack Macrae showed great vision to find Caleb Daniel with another brilliant Bulldogs’ handpass to set up Taylor Duryea 10m in front of Liam Stocker on the forward flank. Lachie McNeil roved the long kick in off the back of the pack and unselfishly handballed to Anthony Scott who goaled from close in on the run. The Carlton back line was under siege.
5 MIN 50 SEC REM Q4
Josh Bruce goal
Car 84 WB 100
Marc Pittonet grabbed it out of the ruck and kicked long but Caleb Daniel continued his excellent second half with a one-handed intercept mark. Patrick Lipinski, Bailey Smith and Anthony Scott then burned off their Carlton opponents spreading hard to the edges of the Marvel Stadium turf to bring the ball forward. Josh Bruce had no opponent in the forward pocket and finished the play with a curling left foot snap.
1 MIN 55 SEC REM Q4
Patrick Lipinski goal
Car 85 WB 106
The Dogs went the full length of the ground for their eighth-straight goal. Josh Bruce took the crucial contested mark on the wing, making Liam Jones pay for going the mark instead of a spoil from behind. Ruckman Jordon Sweet won a contested ball at ground level to release Marcus Bontempelli who delivered another gem of a pass on the left foot to hit Patrick Lipinski in space deep in attack.
"The Blues were pinned down in their back half when Adam Saad gave away two free kicks. Saad first pushed Lachie McNeil in the back and then caught Lachie Hunter high as the Dogs’ ballwinner swivelled and leant in with his head to draw the high contact 35m from goal. Nice set shot from Hunter to slot his second major."
niether of them were free kicks!!! dogs got a lot of iffy frees early, which we weathered. what we couldnt weather, was the "monstering" (as someone on here put it) at stoppages. some of it was sheer brilliance by Bont, Mccrae and Treloar, but some of it was down to our blokes being tackled before they had the footy, and blocked off the footy etc.
in the Sun, the article next to this one is Bevvo complaining about Bont's deliberate out of bounds (which was a terrible call) - the article also mentions the Dogs have had the least frees against this year. they certainly seemed to get away with a bit against us. as a few on here have pointed out - we never complain about this stuff in the media. Bevvo does, and they get away with a bit more on field... coincidence?
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - keogh - 05-11-2021
(05-10-2021, 09:30 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Zac Williams was door stopped at PP yesterday, said he is still learning to play midfield. The most expensive trainer wheels in the comp, FMD!What do you expect
113 games over 8 years at another club on a HBF
He spent 77% of his 11 games in defence in 2020
We pay him $4.8 million over 6 years to be a quick outside mid because we were a slow team in 2020
and because he played one good midfield game in a preliminary in the wet
A nominated it to be a screwing disaster
So far I am right
We are a dumb club and that’s why we have not played in a preliminary for 20 years
Finished bottom 6 thirteen times over 20 years in a period of growing equalization.
Now onto another matter
Williams is clearly injured
I live in Busselton in WA
I would be happy to part with some money to be a member even though I probably could go to only one game when The Blues play in Perth.
I won’t when the club won’t tell its supporters what is wrong with a guy who they have paid so much money for
So screw the club
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - madbluboy - 05-11-2021
Considering how many of our top players played crap/injured is good coaching that had us 27 points up?
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - keogh - 05-11-2021
(05-10-2021, 11:11 AM)kruddler link Wrote:To me one of the biggest positives was cuningham.And 12 possessions
2 decent efforts back to back.....a first for him.
He's showing breakaway speed, sidesteps through packs, great kicking.......BIG TICK.
Your easily pleased arnt you
The guy just isn’t competitive enough
He isn’t called cameo cunners for nothing
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 8: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - kruddler - 05-11-2021
(05-11-2021, 02:38 AM)keogh link Wrote:And 12 possessionsYou are never pleased.
Your easily pleased arnt you
The guy just isn’t competitive enough
He isn’t called cameo cunners for nothing
It wasn't the number of touches he got is what he did that got me excited.
He showed more in that game than LOB has shown his whole career.