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Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - Lods - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 01:53 AM)PaulP link Wrote:A Readers Digest version of the Carlton Supporters Club. Nothing new, nothing useful. Just regurgitating what the fans want to hear.
What the hell are we supposed to make of trash like this :
"Because as much as this club breaks our hearts, we love it and that’s why we get so angry at times and lash out."
Exactly the same argument used by wife abusers.
Rubbish journalism.
The problem is Paul, if I sat down to write out exactly how I feel at the moment I'd write something pretty similar.
But that's just a personal feeling captured in this moment in time.
Likening some passions to 'wife abusing' is a bit of a long bow.
Supporters come in all shapes and forms, from the passive to the aggressive.
I'm not very demonstrative at games...but the passion is no less there.
You might see that hateful, destructive level of angst amongst a few folk at the very extreme....but it's a very small group.
Most of the criticism expressed by fans isn't to exert dominance, to control or to physically and mentally hurt.
It's born of a desire to see the club experience success.
It's things they regard as helping rather than hurting.
While many abusers may also see their behaviour as "helping" we can easily see a difference.
With supporters many of the ideas are arguably constructive...try this, try that, replace the old, play the youth
You were right in saying it's a reflection of the views of many on CSC but probably wrong in saying it's what the fans want to hear.
We don't want too hear it...but it's what many (not all of course) are feeling.
Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - PaulP - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 03:33 AM)Lods link Wrote:The problem is Paul, if I sat down to write out exactly how I feel at the moment I'd write something pretty similar.
But that's just a personal feeling captured in this moment in time.
Likening some passions to 'wife abusing' is a bit of a long bow.
Supporters come in all shapes and forms, from the passive to the aggressive.
I'm not very demonstrative at games...but the passion is no less there.
You might see that hateful, destructive level of angst amongst a few folk at the very extreme....but it's a very small group.
Most of the criticism expressed by fans isn't to exert dominance, to control or to physically and mentally hurt.
It's born of a desire to see the club experience success.
It's things they regard as helping rather than hurting.
While many abusers may also see their behaviour as "helping" we can easily see a difference.
With supporters many of the ideas are arguably constructive...try this, try that, replace the old, play the youth
You were right in saying it's a reflection of the views of many on CSC but probably wrong in saying it's what the fans want to hear.
We don't want too hear it...but it's what many (not all of course) are feeling.
Sorry, but when you see fans lash out, and abuse players for being soft, lazy, not earning their pay, being lifestyle footy players, not playing for the jumper, stealing the fans money etc. that's hurtful, and abusive. You won't find too many who would go up to Marc Murphy and call him soft to his face.
I expect better from so called journalists. If I want to read what fans think, I come here. That's what this site is for. In the days before journalism went down the loo, you could read and hear something that added to your knowledge, something you didn't know before. It seems as thought those days are past.
Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - WASurfer - 04-29-2021
Totally agree re Newnes. He cost us nothing...he wasn't and never will be an A-Grader. But last year he was a consistent performer and regularly hit the scoreboard which not many of our other midfielders do. Until the guys like Setterfield, LOB, Dow, Cunningham can play at a reasonable level on a consistent basis, then guys like Newnes will get selected.
Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - Gointocarlton - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 01:53 AM)PaulP link Wrote:A Readers Digest version of the Carlton Supporters Club. Nothing new, nothing useful. Just regurgitating what the fans want to hear.I have to say I find your comment strange Pauly. I often feel exactly that with the CFC, whilst I try to not get angry per se over sport, I can get pretty scathing on the keyboard with the club because of my love for it. I dont abuse my wife, I idolise all the women in my life and find violence towards man, woman or child abhorrent. The CFC does test my patience way more than my wife and kids.
What the hell are we supposed to make of trash like this :
"Because as much as this club breaks our hearts, we love it and that’s why we get so angry at times and lash out."
Exactly the same argument used by wife abusers.
Rubbish journalism.
Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - LP - 04-29-2021
We keep drafting Mids, and play them on a flank or the wing because they are behind Cripps or Walsh in the pecking order, then when our ruck gets injured we've no spares and the extra Mids rot in the VFL!
That is not good List Management and very poor MC.
Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - Milhanna13 - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 03:00 AM)LP link Wrote:Notice what Ross Lyon said about Stocker, four good VFL games as a Mid, then they play him as a lock down defender.
This is an MC issue, and it's a player development issue, in my opinion it's very ordinary team and list management, and it sort of exposes what the coaching staff think about the kids they've picked up.
Except its not true - Stocker had been playing off half back in the 2s (not lock-down, more sweeper, but still HBF)..... then again, who expects these guys to actually do any research?
Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - LP - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 03:45 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:I have to say I find your comment strange Pauly. I often feel exactly that with the CFC, whilst I try to not get angry per se over sport, I can get pretty scathing on the keyboard with the club because of my love for it. I dont abuse my wife, I idolise all the women in my life and find violence towards man, woman or child abhorrent. The CFC does test my patience way more than my wife and kids.I have to say, if you take an overview perspective you find that there is significant contradiction between the messages offered by our coaches, MC and players, versus the messaging from our Club Executive.
I feel this is what generates a lot of anguish, but only because too many trust our Club Executive. Treat what the Club publishes as spin, question a lot if not all of it, look for your own evidence, and a lot of the anguish goes away!
Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - LP - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 03:53 AM)Milhanna13 date Wrote:Except its not true - Stocker had been playing off half back in the 2s (not lock-down, more sweeper, but still HBF)..... then again, who expects these guys to actually do any research?Sweeper is a midfield role that starts from the defensive side of the square. I suppose the 6-6-6 starting positions cloud this, but the tell is what the players do immediately after the bounce.
It won't be long under this 6-6-6 rule that you see a midfield player basically non-compete. That is they will be in the square 20m away from the centre circle, and just step out as the ball is bounced. Perhaps to even surrender the first possession and force a HB turnover as a tactic. Under 6-6-6 the traditional starting positions are somewhat potentially redundant to new tactics. A good example is that at many games now the wings are starting almost 50m apart, yet they are still "wings" by name.
Those four in the centre square for the bounces, who is to say one or two can't immediately run to the wing after the initial contest, and the wings head on ball. It's an area of specialisation in our game that is sort of half-professional and needs tidying up.
Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - Gointocarlton - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 03:55 AM)LP link Wrote:I have to say, if you take an overview perspective you find that there is significant contradiction between the messages offered by our coaches, MC and players, versus the messaging from our Club Executive.Agree but, and there is always a but, I think the gist of that gets people angry most of the time is the repetitiveness of the losses. We manage long negative streaks like 30 point turn arounds. These are things that are occurring of a period of weeks, we are talking months and years. THATS what pissus me off the most.
I feel this is what generates a lot of anguish, but only because too many trust our Club Executive. Treat what the Club publishes as spin, question a lot if not all of it, look for your own evidence, and a lot of the anguish goes away!
Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats - Milhanna13 - 04-29-2021
(04-29-2021, 03:28 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Think Newnes has done his job and been hard done by, he was a delisted free agent, wouldnt be on that much and
been fairly consistent. Has played mainly on the wing but was used down back last week as well and thats probably a reflection on others not doing their job. Sad part of it he is regarded by the playing group as one of the more more physical players on the list and valued for that...if Newnes is seen as more physical then it doesnt say much for the rest of the group.
Spotlight shouldnt be on a cheap delisted free agent who is there to be an accessory holding up an end,it should be on some of the key players on big money not doing their job and some of these highly rated kids with plenty of hype surrounding them but little substance at this stage.
Obrien and Cuningham have done sweet FA for the last 24 months and Dow and SPS havent been much better.
You can probably add Williamson in that group too although I have cut him some slack given his injuries..
Murphy and Betts are being carried and we have focus on Newnes who has least contributed?
Agreed 100%, easy target..... lazy journalism