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Re: 2018 Rd 9: Post Game Calm: Carlton vs Melbourne - Baggers - 05-20-2018
(05-20-2018, 10:41 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Paul...Can get his own footy and has elite disposal...I'd also be hooking into Tim Taranto as well...ex Vic kid and might want out....
and...Mitch Robinson....aged 28 but the Lions are holding out on signing him, wants 2 years,,,,had 20 contested possies vs GWS last week, 3 years of Mitch to look after Dow, Obrien etc.....
Now you're talkin'.
Re: 2018 Rd 9: Post Game Calm: Carlton vs Melbourne - cookie2 - 05-20-2018
@ Lods
I'm not sure what targets BB sets for the players to achieve Lods but if anyone/any group do not believe the targets set for them are realistic or achievable then faith/belief is lost and performance starts to fall away. No one likes bashing their head against what seems like a brick wall. Realistic and achievable target setting, other than the obvious one of winning the game, is vital and these targets need to be the right ones during this period where winning games is elusive. From all we've heard about BB I'm sure he is right across all of this but this week we certainly looked very wobbly and lost and he certainly vented his frustration.
Re: 2018 Rd 9: Post Game Calm: Carlton vs Melbourne - Lods - 05-21-2018
(05-20-2018, 11:56 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:@ Lods
I'm not sure what targets BB sets for the players to achieve Lods but if anyone/any group do not believe the targets set for them are realistic or achievable then faith/belief is lost and performance starts to fall away. No one likes bashing their head against what seems like a brick wall. Realistic and achievable target setting, other than the obvious one of winning the game, is vital and these targets need to be the right ones during this period where winning games is elusive. From all we've heard about BB I'm sure he is right across all of this but this week we certainly looked very wobbly and lost and he certainly vented his frustration.
It's hard to get a handle on it.
We were reasonably good last week (was that just the opposition?) and terrible this week.
At three quarter time the game was lost and it pretty much was an unachievable target.
At that point you'd hope there would have been a reset..."win the quarter, keep it under a hundred".
Disappointing that there didn't seem to be a response...but in the end they were just overwhelmed.
Re: 2018 Rd 9: Post Game Calm: Carlton vs Melbourne - cookie2 - 05-21-2018
(05-21-2018, 12:06 AM)Lods link Wrote:It's hard to get a handle on it.
We were reasonably good last week (was that just the opposition?) and terrible this week.
At three quarter time the game was lost and it pretty much was an unachievable target.
At that point you'd hope there would have been a reset..."win the quarter, keep it under a hundred".
Disappointing that there didn't seem to be a response...but in the end they were just overwhelmed.
Just about summed us up - overwhelmed both physically and mentally from what I could see.
Re: 2018 Rd 9: Post Game Calm: Carlton vs Melbourne - capcom - 05-21-2018
We need a complete reset. We should demand a lot more as it is nearing crisis point. Supporters want belief, commitment and the skill basics. Can't sign on to a program where one doesn't exist.
We need to walk tall, not crawl.
Re: 2018 Rd 9: Post Game Calm: Carlton vs Melbourne - Baggers - 05-21-2018
Spare 20 minutes so, just for the heck of it, did some research.
Roughly, our past 5-6 years, looks like this:
3 Presidents. 3 CEOs. 3 Senior Coaches, umpteen assistant coaches. Recruiting staff turnovers... Board turnover and still a divided Board.
Capable players traded out out/sacked: E Betts, J Garlett, B Gibbs, L Henderson, J Laidler, M Robinson, Z Tuohy, J Waite & C Yarran (potential unrealised).
Capable (I know that's subjective) blokes retired/sacked: D Armfield, A Carrazzo, A Everitt, R Houlihan, M Jamison, A Joseph, C Judd, B McLean, H Scotland, B Thornton, A Walker & S White (regardless of whether we all agree that some of these blokes were a loss... most if not all would be in our best 28).
Non-hackers/not in best 28: D Viojo-Rainbow, B Boekhorst, K Jaksch, J Tutt, M Whiley, C Smith, J Foster, M Dick, L Sumner, D Gorringe, B Smedts, R Palmer, R O'Keefe, M Carter, N Duigan, S Kerridge, T Bell, C Wood, J Russell, K Lucas, M Watson, R Warnock, A Collins, P Bower, M Austin, S Hampson, P McCarthy, N Graham, J Lamb, A Mullett, J. Cachia, G Giles, N Holman, L Mitchell, A McInnes, M Davies, R Kerr, D Ellard, C O'Shea, D Buckley, J Bootsma, T Menzel & T Temay.
MIA this year (on or off the field) through poor or indifferent form, or injury: J Silvagni, M Murphy, SPS, M Kennedy, S Docherty, Marchbank, Weitering, Cuningham, Williamson, Pickett, Plowman, Phillips, Byrne, ACOS and Casboult.
Mmm, okay, think I'll go outside and find a strong tree, length of rope and chair.
Re: 2018 Rd 9: Post Game Calm: Carlton vs Melbourne - laj - 05-21-2018
(05-20-2018, 11:48 PM)blue4life link Wrote:I think that we should look at our entire coaching team, apart from Stanton they've been too long out of the game in my opinion, but as you suggest that's only part of a bigger picture.
Teague is there too. He's been coaching ever since he retired. Reckon he goes ok. Surprised he hasn't tried for a senior gig, especially after his efforts with the Bullants.
Re: 2018 Rd 9: Post Game Calm: Carlton vs Melbourne - PaulP - 05-21-2018
(05-20-2018, 11:19 PM)JonHenry link Wrote:We need to identify truely tough characters and get them leading the club out of this hole.
We don't need thugs, just mentally tough people that will not back down.
Our captain is the weakest captain in the competition.
Start this process today. Make Cripps skipper.
Make Ed Curnow vice captain.
Any player that doesn't commit their body to the contest plays two's.
Make Liam Jones accountable for his man!!! First and foremost he has to beat his direct opponent before trying to leap over packs, and if he does leave his man he MUST impact the contest.
The one thing any team can give is effort. We need to start by become the best tackling team in the competition.
I don't mind if we get beaten but don't get smashed like yesterday.
We also need to start hurting opposition players when we tackle and bump. We are simply too nice. Richmond tackle and bump with intent every time.
I'm too wussy to be endorsing tackling to hurt. The game is played by big, strong, fit men, and given the nature of the sport, no amount / absence of malicious intent and no amount of mucking around with the rules will ever change the overtly physical nature of the contest. But I accept I'm in the minority on this one, and so I'll leave it at that. Incidentally, there was a story going around during the Ratten era that at a certain point in his tenure, he was instructing the players to tackle to hurt at training - one player's name was mentioned as objecting to this, and that was Yarran. Make of that what you will.
The rest of what you write may well be true, but what I'm talking about is much bigger than changing captains or making Jones accountable. It's almost as though an invisible, negative force field exists around the club that turns everything to sh1t. I really cannot figure it out.
Re: 2018 Rd 9: Post Game Calm: Carlton vs Melbourne - blue4life - 05-21-2018
(05-21-2018, 12:46 AM)laj link Wrote:Teague is there too. He's been coaching ever since he retired. Reckon he goes ok. Surprised he hasn't tried for a senior gig, especially after his efforts with the Bullants.
I'd like to see a few recently retired players who were in the top bracket when they played.
Bob Murphy, Steve Johnson, Nick Riewoldt, Dane Swan, Sam Mitchell, that type,.
Stanton is the closest we've got but no one would consider him a hard at it midfielder or a top liner.
Re: 2018 Rd 9: Post Game Calm: Carlton vs Melbourne - Thryleon - 05-21-2018
(05-21-2018, 12:40 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Spare 20 minutes so, just for the heck of it, did some research.
Roughly, our past 5-6 years, looks like this:
3 Presidents. 3 CEOs. 3 Senior Coaches, umpteen assistant coaches. Recruiting staff turnovers... Board turnover and still a divided Board.
Capable players traded out out/sacked: E Betts, J Garlett, B Gibbs, L Henderson, J Laidler, M Robinson, Z Tuohy, J Waite & C Yarran (potential unrealised).
Capable (I know that's subjective) blokes retired/sacked: D Armfield, A Carrazzo, A Everitt, R Houlihan, M Jamison, A Joseph, C Judd, B McLean, H Scotland, B Thornton, A Walker & S White (regardless of whether we all agree that some of these blokes were a loss... most if not all would be in our best 28).
Non-hackers/not in best 28: D Viojo-Rainbow, B Boekhorst, K Jaksch, J Tutt, M Whiley, C Smith, J Foster, M Dick, L Sumner, D Gorringe, B Smedts, R Palmer, R O'Keefe, M Carter, N Duigan, S Kerridge, T Bell, C Wood, J Russell, K Lucas, M Watson, R Warnock, A Collins, P Bower, M Austin, S Hampson, P McCarthy, N Graham, J Lamb, A Mullett, J. Cachia, G Giles, N Holman, L Mitchell, A McInnes, M Davies, R Kerr, D Ellard, C O'Shea, D Buckley, J Bootsma, T Menzel & T Temay.
MIA this year (on or off the field) through poor or indifferent form, or injury: J Silvagni, M Murphy, SPS, M Kennedy, S Docherty, Marchbank, Weitering, Cuningham, Williamson, Pickett, Plowman, Phillips, Byrne, ACOS and Casboult.
Mmm, okay, think I'll go outside and find a strong tree, length of rope and chair.
These blokes in bold still play for us....
Ultimately, none of this is all that concerning.
Its the known path we must continue walking down, and all we can control is setting the appropriate standards.