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Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne - flyboy77 - 04-16-2018
(04-16-2018, 03:22 AM)deags link Wrote:I couldn't really give 2 stuffs about how long the ball takes to get up the ground. Sure, quick ball movement makes it easier, but the forward still have to work, possibly harder.
How many times in the last few weeks have we actually been on a fast break for a midfielder to have to pull up or pass the ball laterally because there was no one in front of him to pass it to?
The forwards need to work hard. If one bloke leads, he will create space where he was prior to the lead. That space is an opportunity for another forward to lead into.
If multiple people lead, then that creates even more space for others to lead into.
God forbid someone might actually follow up a lead with a second lead.
Therein lies your problem....fix the mids (that includes onballers, flankers and wingers) and the forward line will be fine.....I repeat, you can't lead into space when there is no space! Simple really.
If you reckon speed of ball movement isn't the critical 'missing' factor.... good luck!
Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne - LP - 04-16-2018
(04-16-2018, 04:28 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Therein lies your problem....fix the mids (that includes onballers, flankers and wingers) and the forward line will be fine.....I repeat, you can't lead into space when there is no space! Simple really.
If you reckon speed of ball movement isn't the critical 'missing' factor.... good luck!
You create space by drawing defenders with repeat leads in the appropriate direction at the appropriate time, not by all too often standing in the forward pocket behind the defense calling for the long high ball and jogging behind the defense as they run out of the scoring zone!
Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne - deags - 04-16-2018
(04-16-2018, 04:31 AM)LP link Wrote:You create space by drawing defenders with repeat leads in the appropriate direction at the appropriate time, not by all too often standing in the forward pocket behind the defense calling for the long high ball and jogging behind the defense as they run out of the scoring zone!
This.
Lazyness... The one word that truly defines 90% of our forwards. They need to make space. Other teams seem to becable to score both on quick movement and slow. Tell thise north forwards ho worked their bitts off the other night, not just expecting the ball, but dragging our defenders with them for someone else to be able to lead into. If the dpace aint there then make it.
Further vidence of our lazy forwards is the ease with which the opposition moves the ball out of our firward 50. Thats a whole other story.
Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne - LP - 04-16-2018
I watched Roughead yesterday, I appreciate he's not typical but the repeat efforts are extraordinary, out and back, left then right, when it looked like he had nothing left to give he often got the advantage, took the contested mark and slotted the goal!
It was inspirational, how KPFs should play!
I also watched the VFL as well, the bloke who worked like Roughead was Kerr, and we kicked it to McKay more often than not as he jogged back waving for the deep kick into F50! Even old man Hill had a work rate showing up McKay, I'd rather Hill lounged in F50 and tell McKay to get on his bike up the field, but Hill won;t do that because he's a professional!
If McKay gets a game and Kerr doesn't, Kerr might as well pack his bags and chuck his hat into trade week, because that sort of team selection would be bullsh1t and send a massively wrong message to the playing group!
No more "Kick it to Me" types lounging in the background for a cheapy, I want six players who are all working for every kick! KPFs who take no prisoners along the way!
Loved Cripps at the weekend, gut running out of the midfield into deep F50 to bust a pack with nothing left in the tank. He didn't get the pill, but that is what our forwards should be doing!
Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne - blue4life - 04-16-2018
(04-16-2018, 03:22 AM)deags link Wrote:God forbid someone might actually follow up a lead with a second lead.
And God forbid someone might actually hit a leading forward on the chest.
Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-16-2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBmPo_quXvU
Harry looks like he can play IMO, can take a mark, good kicking style......ditto Kerr......given we kicked 4 goals vs Nth and have not kicked 100 points since Noah built the Ark tell me what harm does it do in playing them both?
Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne - cookie2 - 04-16-2018
I must pay more attention to our forwards but would not any forward get tired of working their butts off making leads if hardly any of them get honoured? Maybe our problem is six of one and a half-dozen of the other?
Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne - Professer E - 04-16-2018
Lance Whitnall...fat and slow and no knees but he could teach our forwards a thing or two about finding space.
Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne - LP - 04-16-2018
(04-16-2018, 06:53 AM)blue4life link Wrote:And God forbid someone might actually hit a leading forward on the chest.
If they don't hit you then you go again though, not sulk!
Re: 2018 Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs North Melbourne - crashlander - 04-16-2018
(04-16-2018, 07:42 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Lance Whitnall...fat and slow and no knees but he could teach our forwards a thing or two about finding space.Absolutely. And how to attack the ball.