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Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - Tragic - 07-11-2017
we've let many good forwards go in the last few years because of the things they can't do (Betts couldn't kick goals in big games - apparently...), Fev couldn't keep his doodle in his pants, or his manners under control, Jeffy was too soft, etc...
How about we think about what Cas can do. He can be 2nd ruck, he can kick a goal and a bit a game, and he can take BIG contested marks up the field.
So - forget his name is Levi, and ask what you'd pay for a bloke who can do all that? And don't mention the misses, everybody misses now and then, and his misses are already accounted for in his goal and a bit a game.
You'd pay good money for all that, because they're a little bit rare. Which teams have someone who does that role who is better than Cas? I'm sure there's a few (Lobb/Westhoff), and I bet they're on pretty good coin. Cas does all that, and he isn't as good as them, so he won't be paid as much as them. But he's gotta be worth something half decent.
I'm not saying pay him too much, just pay him what he's worth, and I don't have a clue what that number is, but the club will know. I'd hate to see another leading goal kicker get sent packing when we've got nothing better to replace him with. Especially if it's over $50K or so.
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-11-2017
Jenkins is a similar player....less talented in the air IMO than Casboult, less talented as a ruckman IMO but the one virtue that makes him very valuable is his straight kicking....maybe has the better ground skills as well....media had the money for Jenkins at around 600k per season when he re-signed for the Crows.
Westhoff has been way underrated, probably not a real comparison with Casboult though...wouldnt be too many pick 71 players at 200cm who can play on a Wing, as well as KP Forward and pinch hit in the ruck.. 213 games with 258 goals and has decent skills, probably hasnt been on much over 400K either IMO given how Port structure their list management.
Wouldnt mind picking up a Westhoff at pick 71 this draft....
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - blue4life - 07-11-2017
I'm saying that if Levi gets any offers let him go, and if he doesn't cut him, we won't go anywhere relying on him so cut our losses.
Necessity is the mother of invention and someone else will get the chance, someone who can kick and isn't a witches hat when the ball hits the ground.
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - flyboy77 - 07-11-2017
one thing, blokes like Kruddler (I presume you're a bloke) fail to think about is that Levi has only played 80 odd games thus far, he's growing (into the role still).
Then there's the old mantra 'big/tall guys take longer'.
He's 201cm ffs. Taller than Special K, or very same same.
Trade him at our peril. For what a 3rd round spec on a kid?
That's dumb 101.
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - kruddler - 07-11-2017
(07-11-2017, 09:06 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:one thing, blokes like Kruddler (I presume you're a bloke) fail to think about is that Levi has only played 80 odd games thus far, he's growing (into the role still).
Then there's the old mantra 'big/tall guys take longer'.
He's 201cm ffs. Taller than Special K, or very same same.
Trade him at our peril. For what a 3rd round spec on a kid?
That's dumb 101.
How many games do we give him?
100? 150? By the time he gets that far he'll have to retire.
He's been on an afl list for 7 years now. He weighed in close to 100kg when he was drafted. He's been a monster who couldn't kick since day 1. Now he's lost his puppy fat, got some definition and improved his tank....but he still can't kick.
Big blokes take longer, sure, if they haven't got it after 7 years, they ain't going to get it.
I'm not saying drop him, never to return. I'm saying plan for the future without him ASAP. He isn't good enough to be relied upon and the sooner we find a replacement the better off we'll be.
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - DJC - 07-11-2017
(07-11-2017, 09:41 AM)kruddler link Wrote:How many games do we give him?
100? 150? By the time he gets that far he'll have to retire.
He's been on an afl list for 7 years now. He weighed in close to 100kg when he was drafted. He's been a monster who couldn't kick since day 1. Now he's lost his puppy fat, got some definition and improved his tank....but he still can't kick.
Big blokes take longer, sure, if they haven't got it after 7 years, they ain't going to get it.
I'm not saying drop him, never to return. I'm saying plan for the future without him ASAP. He isn't good enough to be relied upon and the sooner we find a replacement the better off we'll be.
Our match committee thinks otherwise and I tend to go along with their thinking when it comes to whether players are good enough
The Hun did a piece on this year's best and worst set shots. Casboult didn't make the best ten but he didn't make the worst ten either. That honour went to Stringer, McCarthy, Fasolo, Franklin, Castagna, Hipwood, Lynch, Darling, Daniher and Moore. I wouldn't mind any of that lot in Navy Blue.
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - PaulP - 07-11-2017
(07-11-2017, 10:25 AM)DJC link Wrote:Our match committee thinks otherwise and I tend to go along with their thinking when it comes to whether players are good enough
The Hun did a piece on this year's best and worst set shots. Casboult didn't make the best ten but he didn't make the worst ten either. That honour went to Stringer, McCarthy, Fasolo, Franklin, Castagna, Hipwood, Lynch, Darling, Daniher and Moore. I wouldn't mind any of that lot in Navy Blue.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/where-does-your-club-rank-on-the-key-goalkicking-stats-for-the-2017-afl-season/news-story/8185c071db85174c9099b60ecbd02475
If you hit the paywall, do a google search for "herald sun best worst set shots."
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - PaulP - 07-11-2017
Cas is currently sitting on 23.13, but I can't find how many shots he's had.
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - LoveNavy - 07-11-2017
Re: R16 Us v Dees.
I just received an email advising I've won the Match Day Experience Raffle. I hope its not a hoax - probably not, but did cross my mind :-[
Evidently it's a match worn signed guernsey.
I hope they made a few dollars on the day. I believe there was a good crowd.
Me ;D ;D ;D grinning from ear to ear.
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - kruddler - 07-12-2017
(07-11-2017, 10:25 AM)DJC link Wrote:Our match committee thinks otherwise and I tend to go along with their thinking when it comes to whether players are good enough
The Hun did a piece on this year's best and worst set shots. Casboult didn't make the best ten but he didn't make the worst ten either. That honour went to Stringer, McCarthy, Fasolo, Franklin, Castagna, Hipwood, Lynch, Darling, Daniher and Moore. I wouldn't mind any of that lot in Navy Blue.
It seems, you, and others, are misunderstanding me.
The match committee picks players to play games each and every week. They, obviously, are picking casboult.
I too would pick him currently, because we have nobody else.
HOWEVER, long term, i don't want to have to pick casboult because i don't think we can rely on him to be a key target. He is simply not good enough. Yes, he is the best we have, but he is the best of a bad (underdeveloped) bunch.