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Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - Blue Moon - 04-10-2016
I think we were awful last night. Watching it at the ground I thought our biggest problem was our decision making. Considering how inept our kicking and hand balling was, our non-existent forward line and our key defenders inadequacies, this should indicate how poor our decision making was. The worst in my opinion was Rowe. The sooner Plowman gets fit the better. Hopefully Weitering, Plowman and Glass-McCasker are our first choice defenders by the end of the season. I am happy that BB called out the players effort in the last quarter. The club has been making excuses for players not giving 100% for 100% of the time for too long. I hope this is an indication that this is going to stop and they are going to address the cultural issues within the club. If so, something good could come out of last nights debacle.
Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - LordLucifer - 04-10-2016
My typo had 2016 when it should of read 2015 but you all knew what I meant.
Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-10-2016
(04-10-2016, 02:52 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:The biggest problem BB has to overcome IMO is that he is selling a reset or rebuild or whatever you want to call it and that has been underlined and emphasised by The Judge and Trigg repeatedly - no shortcuts!
That's great for the younger and newer players who can see a possible "land of opportunity". For the older and more established guys all it means is uncertainty and doubt as to whether or not they will be a part of the new world, and what their roles might be in it, if indeed they will have one. Only the very strongest of them mentally are likely to fully embrace that and flourish IMO. It is no doubt a painful transition for the club.
I thought Bolton in his presser gave the impression he is stuck with the list he has and said he all he can do is coach to improve them but I get the feeling another large cull is on the way....
Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - MosquitoFleet - 04-10-2016
(04-10-2016, 12:14 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I thought Bolton in his presser gave the impression he is stuck with the list he has and said he all he can do is coach to improve them but I get the feeling another large cull is on the way....
as I said before, the only thing I am looking forward to this year is who we draft trade and delist
Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - MosquitoFleet - 04-10-2016
(04-10-2016, 09:31 AM)TheSheik link Wrote:Why are there so many people cracking the sads here ??
We finished last in 2016, we turned over 14 players from our list & we appointed a new coach - do you really believe we are going to be premiership contenders all of a sudden ??
FFS, get a grip will ya !!!
Due to the past 15-20 years of inept recruiting & player development, we are virtually starting up the club once again and it is going to take some time (ie. years) before all of this hard work starts to show.
Due to the salary cap & draft, there are no shortcuts these days so how about everyone take a chill pill and be content with the exciting young players we now have on the list ??
It may take some time but believe me, it will happen !!
on what basis do you believe what you are saying?
Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - Lods - 04-10-2016
I'm prepared to judge over a season. I'm prepared to give the club time....but what the club has achieved through the rebuild/reset statements is that we have been conditioned to accept weekly results as unimportant.
I see that as a clever strategy.
What it's designed to do is buy time.
You see the club really has no idea if the rebuild will actually work.
They can put in plans, and it would appear that there has been considerable thought go into these.... but the success or failure of any rebuild is dependent on so many variable factors such as injury, sound selections, proper development, player satisfaction, team unity etc that they can't guarantee things will work out as they hope.
The only indication that we're on the right track comes from on field performance....you can accept poor performance while we're in the early stages of building and uniting a team (like now) but we also need to see positive developments as we go along.
At the moment there's a lot of scrutiny on some older members of our list.
How will that play out as the pressure on these players increases and how will those "redundancies" be managed in a way that doesn't upset the apple-cart.
This rebuild isn't easy... and it's not guaranteed.
Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - cookie2 - 04-10-2016
(04-10-2016, 12:14 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I thought Bolton in his presser gave the impression he is stuck with the list he has and said he all he can do is coach to improve them but I get the feeling another large cull is on the way....
I think that's right EB and there will be another cull for sure. What I am saying is that this cull may go deep in terms of the more senior guys. Most of them are pretty much already as good as they are going to be - how much improvement can BB get out of them? BB and SOS will be keen to move on as many of them as practically possible via retirement, trade and delisting in order to get more focus on improving the list. I think the senior players, especially those struggling to adapt to BB's game plan, would realise that and as a result be very nervous about their futures at the club.
A few of the relative newcomers, especially those recruited pre-SOS, may also be in the same boat.
Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - LoveNavy - 04-10-2016
(04-10-2016, 10:17 AM)shawny link Wrote:Top post!
Couldn't agree more.
Too many on here react to the now. Weekly results mean stuff all in a full rebuild of the proportions we have been forced to undertake.
As long as I see effort and signs the kids and younger players are improving or at least showing signs I'm happy.
The experienced players on the list are obviously viewed differently. If they don't preform they should be traded out. Simple as that.
Hang tough guys after all this is what we all were crying out for when MM was at the helm.
X 2.
No pain no gain.
This will take a couple of years not a couple of weeks.
Here's a few tips to preserve your sanity in the short term:
Celebrate every contest we win.
Admire our younger players when they beat a seasoned player.
Cheer loudly and proudly when we kick a goal.
Welcome our first gamers like we believe they'll succeed.
Go nuts when we win a game.
Knock yourself out when we have a NAB rs nomination.
Then, when we finish at or near the bottom of the ladder. Be scintillated when you see the top talent we draft. And then get excited about what they will add to Cripps, Weits, Charlie, Harry, SOSOS, and co.
Hang fat Bluebaggers. We're all in this together.
(And yes, I'm definitely a glass half full type. But hey why not!)
Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - BluePhantom - 04-10-2016
Could be funny when we actually do win a game, with more players inside the circle than out singing the song.
I probably see it a little differently to most, we are getting it into the forward a lot of times, so something must be happening right.
If we can just get some forward line structure with say just 3-4 players working together then things might turn around.
It's a big ask I know but what we are doing in the forward line now isn't working.
By the way who is our forward coach?
Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Post Game Pain - LP - 04-10-2016
(04-10-2016, 09:41 PM)BluePhantom link Wrote:Could be funny when we actually do win a game, with more players inside the circle than out singing the song.
I probably see it a little differently to most, we are getting it into the forward a lot of times, so something must be happening right.
If we can just get some forward line structure with say just 3-4 players working together then things might turn around.
It's a big ask I know but what we are doing in the forward line now isn't working.
By the way who is our forward coach?
No forward coach is going to fix our problems unless he is a development genius, the problems are ball use and decision making.
I think if the club had a panic room a dozen players would be locking themselves in there daily!
In the first couple of weeks there were plenty of good signs, little gives and gets, sneaky underground kicks and handballs, shepherds for team-mates even! Get the ball forward, disrupt the opponent.
It mostly stopped on the Gold Coast Saturday night, and it wasn't the newbies who are to blame. It's the older entrenched playing group who revert to doing stuff by bad habits that are regressing. They seem to be so mentally damaged from their past it has become a tragedy! Saturday night reminded me so much of that last season from TBird or Russell, you just knew their time was up despite the odd good outing! Old dogs, new tricks, but only sometimes!