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Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 06-15-2017
(06-15-2017, 08:26 AM)mateinone link Wrote:The problem is Lods, I think that was tried at different times in both the presidential election and in the party nomination process and didn't work. At times there was the hysteria about how bad he was and I seem to remember a dismissive tone adopted by Hilary and some Republicans at times also.
I think the reason for the prodding is there is a large section of the US that sees the need to get him out of power as soon as is possible.
Reality has struck though hasn't it.
He's here!
The problem with "Doing him quickly" rather than letting the nation realise he was done fairly and legitimately is the division it will cause.
He needs to be done fairly and transparently with there being no question he deserved to go.... otherwise it sets a precedent that could bounce back on any future President.
I'm confident the processes are in play.
In the meantime
http://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/06/15/14/18/malcolm-turnbull-impersonates-donald-trump-in-leaked-audio
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - mateinone - 06-15-2017
That is a shocker by Turnbull.
Funny, but not acceptable.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 06-15-2017
(06-15-2017, 11:05 AM)mateinone link Wrote:That is a shocker by Turnbull.
Funny, but not acceptable.
It'll be viral by this time tomorrow.
Fox and CNN already have reports on it up on their websites
Bets on who goes first Trump or Turnbull ;D
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 06-15-2017
(06-15-2017, 11:08 AM)Lods link Wrote:It'll be viral by this time tomorrow.
Fox and CNN already have reports on it up on their websites
Bets on who goes first Trump or Turnbull ;D
I don't see a problem with it!
The thing that disturbs me mostly is the breach of trust that has come out of the winter ball, that is meant to be a no holds barred piss take of politics, political media, bureaucrats and commentators for the purposes of raising money for a number of charities. The politicians take the charity seriously, but he night is meant to be light hearted and they piss-take themselves every bit as much as any body else who has a profile in politics or political commentary.
I'm mean Trump had his wife repeat Michelle Obama's speech word for word just to take the piss out of the media! The modern media didn't get it, primarily because it's now full of unqualified unprofessional cheap-as-chips syndicated bloggers rather than the very expensive career journalists that Murdoch replaced!
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - mateinone - 06-15-2017
The issue is how it is perceived. It already has traction in the UK also.
I agree it should never have been leaked, it could not have been considered to be in the best interests of Australia and it was a pretty average thing to do (and I don't even like Liberals).
Will be very interesting to see the fall out, but traditionally Trump doesn't take too well to mocking, he tends to get a bit sulky, just ask Alec Baldwin
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 06-15-2017
It's a problem for Turnbull because of the initial phone conversation he had with Trump.
Then the visit that papered over the cracks.
In that light it will be highlighted as Turnbull revealing his true feelings towards Trump.
...and it's the media that will dictate how the story will be handled.
Most major news outlets have now picked it up.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 06-15-2017
(06-15-2017, 11:43 AM)mateinone link Wrote:The issue is how it is perceived. It already has traction in the UK also.
I agree it should never have been leaked, it could not have been considered to be in the best interests of Australia and it was a pretty average thing to do (and I don't even like Liberals).
Will be very interesting to see the fall out, but traditionally Trump doesn't take too well to mocking, he tends to get a bit sulky, just ask Alec Baldwin
It's normal for the US Ambassador to be at the Winter Ball, so Trump will have first-hand feedback available if he wants it!
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 06-15-2017
(06-15-2017, 08:20 AM)Lods link Wrote:It means you let the checks and balances inbuilt in the system take care of Trump.You sound like Jeb Bush naïvely thinking that decency would be all he needed to deflate Trump.
You don't raise a level of hate and hysteria against the individual but you work to tone that down and work against him with reasoned logic and argument.
If you adopt this approach any over-reaction on his part clearly draws a line between him and his opponents
Some folk are working against him in that respect and slowly but surely it will do the job.
Others have gone off half cocked (Arts, academia, politicians) and they're the ones that are being counter productive.
I don't share your optimism that the checks and balances in the system will do the job. Trump clearly wishes to neutralise them and rule by fiat. That's why today's news about the Mueller investigation is so sensational. Imagine a President trying to kill an investigation into his campaign associates by sacking an FBI Director.
Trump deliberately thumbed his nose at conventions surrounding the relationship between the FBI Director and the President. As Comey noted, Obama contacted him only once apart from saying a quick goodbye last year. Trump initiated a series of meetings at which he demanded personal loyalty. That is incredibly inappropriate and weakens the independence of law enforcement. That is just the tip of the iceberg. At his first cabinet meeting, he acted like a dictator accepting compliments from sycophantic underlings.
We like to imagine that our systems of government are foolproof and we have become so sophisticated that we wouldn't allow someone to bring them down. But that's a conceit. if that concern is seen as hysterical, so be it. But don't tell me that Trump is behaving with anything like the ethical integrity of Obama and he's just being painted in a harsh light. Mueller doesn't appear to think so at least.
Some GOP figures are trying to blame "caustic rhetoric" from Dems for the shooting. Nice try. Remember that the Democrats don't control either the House of Reps or the Senate. What worries the GOP most is the heat the GOP is taking over the attempt to repeal Obamacare. Republicans enjoyed Town Hall meetings leading up to the 2010 elections as the Tea Party ran amok, electrified by the passage of Obamacare. The GOP loved the pressure exerted on the Democrats through those meetings. But now that Republicans who face the voters in 2018 are experiencing passionate opposition at their Town Hall meetings, they are mostly refusing to hold any. They trot out the usual line that the passionate opposition just comes from paid protesters rather than accepting that this is democracy at work. Of course, they huff and puff when the passion at the meetings is compared to the passion of the Tea Party. Without any proof, they claim the former is simply manufactured while the latter was a real reflection of the concerns of the people.
Peaceful protest isn't caustic rhetoric and is at the heart of true democracy.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 06-15-2017
(06-15-2017, 12:17 PM)Mav link Wrote:You sound like Jeb Bush naïvely thinking that decency would be all he needed to deflate Trump.
I don't share your optimism that the checks and balances in the system will do the job. Trump clearly wishes to neutralise them and rule by fiat. That's why today's news about the Mueller investigation is so sensational. Imagine a President trying to kill an investigation into his campaign associates by sacking an FBI Director.
We'll have to agree to disagree....and down the track one of us will be right and one of us will be wrong.
I tend to think that when Trump is finally removed it will be through a proper process of the system working as it was intended.
Quote:"Peaceful protest isn't caustic rhetoric and is at the heart of true democracy."I thought that's what I was advocating.
My problem is with hysterical hate filled comments and that applies to both sides.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - madbluboy - 06-15-2017
Quote:Former FBI Director James Comey met with the Senate Intelligence Committee in multiple private sessions in which he detailed Loretta Lynch's reaction of silence to his evidence from the FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton's private email server.
Comey met with the committee multiple times over the last couple months and detailed an encounter with Lynch, who served as former President Barack Obama's attorney general, shortly before Clinton's email probe was shut down, Circa reported.
Comey told lawmakers in the close door session that he raised his concern with the attorney general that she had created a conflict of interest by meeting with Clinton’s husband, the former President Bill Clinton, on an airport tarmac while the investigation was ongoing.
During the conversation, Comey told lawmakers he confronted Lynch with a highly sensitive piece of evidence, a communication between two political figures that suggested Lynch had agreed to put the kibosh on any prosecution of Clinton.