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Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 06-15-2017
Three aspects involved...
The "lax control of guns", the "politics of hate on both sides" and nutters putting the two together.
Hopefully the response from this incident from both sides will be "We have to tone it down a bit."
In the meantime the Washington Post is reporting that the special counsel may now be investigating the president for possible obstruction of justice.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/special-counsel-is-investigating-trump-for-possible-obstruction-of-justice/2017/06/14/9ce02506-5131-11e7-b064-828ba60fbb98_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-low_trumpmueller625pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.565040623b3b
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 06-15-2017
Maybe Trump will tone down the incendiary rhetoric? Don't hold your breath. Remember when Melania Trump said she wanted to do something about online bullying? That didn't change Trump's behaviour. Maybe it was fortunate for Hillary that she lost. After all of the "Lock her up!" chants, labelling her as a criminal and a liar and suggestions that the 2nd amendment people might do something about her, how many right-wing wingnuts would have gone after her if she'd won?
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 06-15-2017
(06-15-2017, 02:27 AM)Mav link Wrote:Maybe Trump will tone down the incendiary rhetoric? Don't hold your breath. Remember when Melania Trump said she wanted to do something about online bullying? That didn't change Trump's behaviour. Maybe it was fortunate for Hillary that she lost. After all of the "Lock her up!" chants, labelling her as a criminal and a liar and suggestions that the 2nd amendment people might do something about her, how many right-wing wingnuts would have gone after her if she'd won?
But that's the whole point.
We know what we have with Trump.
He won't change.
Is the best way to deal with him to fight the battle at his level?
It might make folk feel good, but they'll be fighting on his turf.
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
He'll come unstuck by himself eventually...and watch his Republican support dry up.
It's only there as a thin veneer.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Baggers - 06-15-2017
(06-15-2017, 02:52 AM)Lods link Wrote:But that's the whole point.
We know what we have with Trump.
He won't change.
Is the best way to deal with him to fight the battle at his level?
It might make folk feel good, but they'll be fighting on his turf.
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw
He'll come unstuck by himself eventually...and watch his Republican support dry up.
It's only there as a thin veneer.
So true. Good stuff. You do, however, need to keep him under pressure. Narcissists can't handle accountability/being exposed/wrong/not getting their own way. Stand at his pen with a powerful water hose and give him a burst from time to time.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 06-15-2017
(06-15-2017, 03:06 AM)Baggers link Wrote:So true. Good stuff. You do, however, need to keep him under pressure. Narcissists can't handle accountability/being exposed/wrong/not getting their own way. Stand at his pen with a powerful water hose and give him a burst from time to time.
No doubt!
And there are plenty of legislative and judicial options to maintain that pressure.
Attack the words and policies and not so much the individual.
There is no shortage of material.
But do it in a rational, measured, non-hysterical way.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 06-15-2017
(06-15-2017, 03:26 AM)Lods link Wrote:No doubt!And doing so will draw an over-the-top response which will then draw comment that both sides are as bad as each other :
And there are plenty of legislative and judicial options to maintain that pressure.
Attack the words and policies and not so much the individual.
There is no shortage of material.
But do it in a rational, measured, non-hysterical way.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 06-15-2017
(06-15-2017, 06:17 AM)Mav link Wrote:And doing so will draw an over-the-top response which will then draw comment that both sides are as bad as each other :
That doesn't make a lot of sense. ???
Play a straight bat at him and let him rant and rave.
Let him burn himself.
It will be much more productive, because at the moment what's happening is the personal attacks on him are giving him energy.
The "combative" is his style and it's easier for him to cloud a situation.
Folk who aren't sure either way look at Trump and think "He might be bad, but he's not getting much of a go."
Take away the.... "but he's not getting much of a go" and we just have "he might be bad."
Look back at our comments in the pre-election thread.
We're not arguing over his merits.
We're arguing over the way to tackle him and see him off.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Mav - 06-15-2017
It does make a lot of sense. "Playing a straight bat" doesn't, though. What doesn't it even mean in this context?
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Lods - 06-15-2017
(06-15-2017, 07:27 AM)Mav link Wrote:It does make a lot of sense. "Playing a straight bat" doesn't, though. What doesn't it even mean in this context?
It means you let the checks and balances inbuilt in the system take care of Trump.
You don't raise a level of hate and hysteria against the individual but you work to tone that down and work against him with reasoned logic and argument.
If you adopt this approach any over-reaction on his part clearly draws a line between him and his opponents
Some folk are working against him in that respect and slowly but surely it will do the job.
Others have gone off half cocked (Arts, academia, politicians) and they're the ones that are being counter productive.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - mateinone - 06-15-2017
The problem is Lods, I think that was tried at different times in both the presidential election and in the party nomination process and didn't work. At times there was the hysteria about how bad he was and I seem to remember a dismissive tone adopted by Hilary and some Republicans at times also.
I think the reason for the prodding is there is a large section of the US that sees the need to get him out of power as soon as is possible.