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Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - madbluboy - 06-07-2017
If you commit an act of terror you're a terrorist.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - DJC - 06-07-2017
(06-07-2017, 08:53 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:If you commit an act of terror you're a terrorist.
Is murdering someone and taking a hostage an act of terror? It seems to happen fairly often, unfortunately.
Is the nutter who killed the people in the CBD a terrorist? Is the Port Arthur shooter a terrorist or mass murderer?
There's no generally accepted definition of terrorist or terrorism but there is some consensus that it has to be politically motivated. For example, the anti-abortion murders and kidnappings perpetrated in the USA, Canada and Australia are recognised as acts of Christian terrorists.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - madbluboy - 06-07-2017
He was part of a group that was charged for planning an attack on an army base in Sydney a few years ago.
His plan the other day was to lure in special ops officers so he could kill them.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - DJC - 06-08-2017
(06-07-2017, 10:47 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:He was part of a group that was charged for planning an attack on an army base in Sydney a few years ago.
His plan the other day was to lure in special ops officers so he could kill them.
He was exonerated of the Holdsworthy charges (one of my army homes!).
Perhaps he simply has a hatred of police, like so many violent criminals ...
I think he probably is a terrorist, but it's not cut and dried.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Baggers - 06-08-2017
Sorry, MBB but DJC is 100% correct. He's explaining this to you using facts/logic/reason and not media hysteria/hype. Mate, don't buy into the media/political hysterics. In those famous words, 'If you don't listen to the media you'll be uninformed, if you do listen to the media you'll be misinformed.' (I interpret that as mainstream media, for accuracy of information we really have to dig and watch/listen to non-commercial / unbiased reporting).
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - Thryleon - 06-08-2017
http://theantimedia.org/qatar-crisis-natural-gas-terrorism/
Im not going to pretend that the media are honest/dishonest.
Its probably that they are being used as tools to misinform and shape public interest for other political aims.
I tend to prefer things as the media being the 3 ringed circus. Designed specifically to misinform, distract and shape public opinion, promote political gains that result in the population being dumb enough to control, and not ask the hard questions.
Read through this link. It provides a better backdrop to why there are so many issues in this area, and from what I can understand it all goes back the same reasons why wars have always, and will always be fought.
$$$$$$$$$$$ and Power.
People like to blame the evils of religion for mans evils, but the reality is, that the unscrupulous seek only fiscal reward, monetary gain, and will use any excuse in the book to say that its about something else, and people like to believe they are enlightened and buy these lies hook, line and sinker.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 06-08-2017
(06-08-2017, 02:18 AM)DJC link Wrote:He was exonerated of the Holdsworthy charges (one of my army homes!).
I hate that word exonerated, because it's used in the media context that implies no involvement or that the charges were fanciful.
But generally in Australia as I understand things it means someone who was initially found guilty had the decision reversed on some grounds by a higher court, often that is a technicality such as a breach of procedure by investigators or tainted evidence.
In that respect it's different from being acquitted, which as I understand is generally a not guilty finding in the first instance.
The public perception of those terms is often the reverse because exoneration is often associated with fraudulent accusations or evidence discovered after a conviction!
It's miles away from suggesting somebody wasn't involved, or that the charges were fraudulent, wrong or fanciful.
Maybe Mav can clarify.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - DJC - 06-08-2017
(06-08-2017, 03:43 AM)LP link Wrote:I hate that word exonerated, because it's used in the media context that implies no involvement or that the charges were fanciful.
But generally in Australia as I understand things it means someone who was initially found guilty had the decision reversed on some grounds by a higher court, often that is a technicality such as a breach of procedure by investigators or tainted evidence.
In that respect it's different from being acquitted, which as I understand is generally a not guilty finding in the first instance.
The public perception of those terms is often the reverse because exoneration is often associated with fraudulent accusations or evidence discovered after a conviction!
It's miles away from suggesting somebody wasn't involved, or that the charges were fraudulent, wrong or fanciful.
Maybe Mav can clarify.
Yes LP, poor choice of words on my part.
I didn't bother looking up the court reports and don't know whether the charges were dropped or whether he was found not guilty. However, he certainly wasn't exonerated.
By the way, I refuse to refer to any of these terrorists, murderers, rapists, etc by name. Treating them as anonymous figures doesn't increase their notoriety. I do the same with the current POTUS.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - LP - 06-08-2017
(06-08-2017, 04:43 AM)DJC link Wrote:By the way, I refuse to refer to any of these terrorists, murderers, rapists, etc by name. Treating them as anonymous figures doesn't increase their notoriety. I do the same with the current POTUS.
Agreed, we should not report their names, acts, associates, supporters or defenders.
The terrorists should never be buried, their bodies should be donated to science for dissection and training.
We should have the victims as front page news and give them all state funerals.
Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading) - DJC - 06-08-2017
(06-08-2017, 05:05 AM)LP link Wrote:Agreed, we should not report their names, acts, associates, supporters or defenders.
The terrorists should never be buried, their bodies should be donated to science for dissection and training.
We should have the victims as front page news and give them all state funerals.
I understand that 200 UK Imams refused to perform the Islamic funeral ceremony for the London terrorists.