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Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - DJC - 01-14-2019
(01-14-2019, 09:59 AM)Jack Burton link Wrote:Agree 100% EB, if youre not a choir boy you will not be selected at the moment. Runs and wickets are almost irrelevant
Yet Smith, Warner and Bancroft will be rushed back into the team ASAP.
The garbage about Wade batting higher in the order is just code for "we don't think you're good enough". When two out of the three selectors are so far removed from modern day cricket and have a history of favouring under-performing players, there's no chance that we will get a Test team comprising the best in-form players.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - townsendcalling - 01-14-2019
Does anyone want to tell CA that the BBL is heading for crisis?? Just on 20k at the G last night! Take the 4 best players out and expect people to turn up?? That’s almost an insult. No more teams, cut the season back, and have the country’s best playing in the comp! And another complication, these OS players can play in Bangladesh gor less than half the time for double the pay. Do something quickly or it will receive the ‘last rites!’
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - Professer E - 01-14-2019
How can a county like Bangladesh, with entrenched poverty etc, justify paying blow ins a fortune to play in a meaningless display event? Haven't got they got real issues to address?
The BBL does have issues... Went to GMHBA on a free pass, Renegades lost both games by multiples. Batted like they didn't care from the outset. Guy behind us had flown from Brisbane, they won but you wouldnt say he was entertained for the time and money he shelled out. Value for money? Don't see it myself.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - malo - 01-14-2019
(01-14-2019, 02:11 PM)townsendcalling link Wrote:Does anyone want to tell CA that the BBL is heading for crisis?? Just on 20k at the G last night! Take the 4 best players out and expect people to turn up?? That’s almost an insult. No more teams, cut the season back, and have the country’s best playing in the comp! And another complication, these OS players can play in Bangladesh gor less than half the time for double the pay. Do something quickly or it will receive the ‘last rites!’
Yep, you can see a mile off that CA are in the process of wringing the neck of the Golden Goose.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - malo - 01-14-2019
(01-14-2019, 09:35 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Wade getting picked has nothing to do with his form IMO, he is seen as part of the supposed neanderthal poor culture that CA is trying to clean out
and replace with the squeaky clean Tim Paine choir boy crew.
That's a little harsh on Paine mate......he was exactly what the national side needed as captain in the wake of that moment of stupidity in SAF. And if you're being fair, Paine is finally getting the games that should have been his years ago, before Wade was even in the picture. Having said that, you have to reward performances...and Wade would be in any side as a specialist Batsman given that criteria.
And Maxwells treatment is nothing short of restraint of trade........and I'm from Tassie, so no Vic bias here !
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - Blueboy_Benny - 01-14-2019
(01-14-2019, 02:11 PM)townsendcalling link Wrote:Does anyone want to tell CA that the BBL is heading for crisis?? Just on 20k at the G last night! Take the 4 best players out and expect people to turn up?? That’s almost an insult. No more teams, cut the season back, and have the country’s best playing in the comp! And another complication, these OS players can play in Bangladesh gor less than half the time for double the pay. Do something quickly or it will receive the ‘last rites!’Rubbish scheduling, given that it was up against day 1 of the Aus Open.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - JonHenry - 01-15-2019
It has ALWAYS been an issue batting lower than the top 4 in Shield cricket.
If Wade wants to play Test Cricket as a batsman he needs to get up the order.
Paine is a far better glove man and bat. Choir boy or not, Wade is not in the same league
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - laj - 01-15-2019
(01-14-2019, 04:39 AM)DamonBlue link Wrote:On Matthew Wade, I'm glad he hasn't been selected.
Let's remember, he's had a fair run at Test level (22 matches) and has an average of 28.6 from 38 innings (with the benefit of 7 not-outs, batting down the order). By way of comparison, Hanscomb averages 39 and he's not up to it either at the moment.
At Test level, Wade is a mile off being a batsman. Even if Paine were injured, I wouldn't pick him, as his keeping is ordinary. His recent Shield form, I reckon, just shows that playing some Test cricket can make you much better at a lower level.
Those days as a keeper, right now the focus is on batting. Makes a difference. His first stint in the Test Team he went well with two centuries and a numbers of 50's. average in the mid-30s. He lost the job because he was $hit with the gloves. Second stint he did bat badly and sunk the average. Right now he's the in-form batsman in Shield cricket averaging over 50 last year and 63 this year. To me that is straight in the side, especially given some of the $hit we have selected before him.
We gone from aggressive, in your face type players to being too nice. We need the mongrel back. Warner, Wade and probably Pattinson will help that along. We are at our best when we are hard and very aggressive. Rather be arseholes and winning than nice guys losing all the time. As long as they leave the sandpaper in the dressing room as we don't want to be cheating either.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - DamonBlue - 01-15-2019
(01-15-2019, 01:07 AM)laj link Wrote:Those days as a keeper, right now the focus is on batting. Makes a difference. His first stint in the Test Team he went well with two centuries and a numbers of 50's. average in the mid-30s. He lost the job because he was $hit with the gloves. Second stint he did bat badly and sunk the average. Right now he's the in-form batsman in Shield cricket averaging over 50 last year and 63 this year. To me that is straight in the side, especially given some of the $hit we have selected before him.
We gone from aggressive, in your face type players to being too nice. We need the mongrel back. Warner, Wade and probably Pattinson will help that along. We are at our best when we are hard and very aggressive. Rather be arseholes and winning than nice guys losing all the time. As long as they leave the sandpaper in the dressing room as we don't want to be cheating either.
Got no problems with getting some mongrel and aggression back in, Laj - I'm just not convinced he's up to it at test level.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - ElwoodBlues1 - 01-15-2019
(01-14-2019, 09:35 PM)malo link Wrote:That's a little harsh on Paine mate......he was exactly what the national side needed as captain in the wake of that moment of stupidity in SAF. And if you're being fair, Paine is finally getting the games that should have been his years ago, before Wade was even in the picture. Having said that, you have to reward performances...and Wade would be in any side as a specialist Batsman given that criteria.
And Maxwells treatment is nothing short of restraint of trade........and I'm from Tassie, so no Vic bias here !
Fair points, I dont mind Tim Paine as a cricketer or individual but I just think we went overboard in trying to clean up the mess left by Warner etc...Aussie teams function better when we have some edge to our game and have a little bit of mongrel but still stay within the rules.
Wade should get the second keeper's job for England unless they go with a part time keeper like Hanscomb, I'd play Wade in the old Warner opening role, take the attack to the opening bowlers, as I have said before I am not a real fan of keepers playing as specialist batsman but in our case we need to reward Shield players who are meeting the normal criteria of weight of runs@ a decent average..
When you pick blokes averaging 29 in the key role of No 3 then really cant expect to be winning at test level vs decent opposition...re: Maxwell...think we all know Maxy isnt everyones cup of tea in the dressing room and probably isnt one of the boys but either was Don Bradman who played with a team full of micky flynn's but we still got the job done and picked the best players..