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Re: Russian Ukraine War - mateinone - 08-24-2023
Utkin reported to be on the plane also.
There are currently a lot of reports in Russia that he faked his death and now Wagner will plan to march on moscow etc.
All of this is incredibly unlikely. He could have for sure staged his death or "avoided a bullet", but i am still banking on the fact i believe he is dead.
Re: Russian Ukraine War - DJC - 08-24-2023
Orchestrating a plane crash would be an extremely complex and convoluted way to fake one’s death, even for Prighozhin.
And then there’s DNA analysis of human remains, regardless of how fragmentary.
Re: Russian Ukraine War - Lods - 08-24-2023
Yep I can't see it either
If he did stage the whole thing it would be hard for him to reappear.
The Russian people have been sold the fact he's dead.
Putin is enhanced... "You dont mess with the Pute"
They'd hardly flock to Prigo if he was to suddenly 'come back from the dead'
If he's done it to avoid assassination...good luck with that one.
He's forfeited all he had...including his little army.
Nope. I think he's a goner
Re: Russian Ukraine War - kruddler - 08-24-2023
(08-23-2023, 10:57 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:Interesting. Everyone goes straight to Putin as cause of death, but no one thought to consider that this guy might simply have faked his death to defect.
Who knows, but not many planes crash, so either its a fake crash, or it was shot down.
People are so ready to believe this when Russia is involved.
I talk about the same thing with America and i'm coco bananas.
Just let that sink in and maybe reevaluate.
Re: Russian Ukraine War - mateinone - 08-24-2023
Another Telegram post by a Wagner member warned another coup could be on the horizon.
“There are rumours about the death of the head of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin,” the post read.
“We directly say that we suspect the Kremlin officials led by Putin of an attempt to kill him.
“If the information about Prigozhin’s death is confirmed, we will organise a second March of Justice on Moscow! He’d better be alive, it’s in your own interests.”
Re: Russian Ukraine War - Thryleon - 08-24-2023
(08-24-2023, 08:51 AM)kruddler link Wrote:People are so ready to believe this when Russia is involved.
I talk about the same thing with America and i'm coco bananas.
Just let that sink in and maybe reevaluate.
It hasn't escaped me that all this could be western propaganda and we don't have a handle about what this war is all about.
Re: Russian Ukraine War - Lods - 08-24-2023
Apparently it's a bit like Spartacus.
As EB mentioned earlier there are reports that lots of folk have changed their name to Prigozhin to protect him from assasination or at least cause confusion.
So the fact that his name shows up on a plane's manifest is not necessarily firm proof.
Western propoganda?
I'm not sure how it benefits the West or Ukraine to falsely claim he's been taken out.
The big winner if he's gone is Putin.
I haven't seen anything official from Kremlin sources...
There is some speculation from some Russian sources, but even Wagner can't seem to make up their minds or know for sure.
It seemed bizarre when he called off his coup.
To resurface after this would be even more bizarre.
Re: Russian Ukraine War - DJC - 08-24-2023
(08-24-2023, 11:48 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:It hasn't escaped me that all this could be western propaganda and we don't have a handle about what this war is all about.
Since when does the Russian media promote western propaganda?
And the Russian film footage of the jet plummeting to earth was pretty convincing.
More to the point, what would the west gain from making this up?
The Ukraine War is one of the most analysed conflicts ever and all perspectives are readily available.
Re: Russian Ukraine War - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-24-2023
Im a bit confused by the Wagner No 1 and No 2 being on the same plane, I would have thought they would be smarter than that?
Re: Russian Ukraine War - Thryleon - 08-24-2023
(08-24-2023, 01:20 PM)DJC link Wrote:Since when does the Russian media promote western propaganda?
And the Russian film footage of the jet plummeting to earth was pretty convincing.
More to the point, what would the west gain from making this up?
The Ukraine War is one of the most analysed conflicts ever and all perspectives are readily available.
I think you misunderstood me.
We know these two are at war.
We know that Russia is the baddie, Ukraine the goody.
At least this is what we are told.
It's over simplified. This latest episode is simply more of the same. What is there to believe here? Putin is bad and staged a mission against Ukraine. Ok, that happened but why is what I dont buy.
Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, strange explosions in Lebanon, the Crimean battles. New resources found in the Mediterranean causing more political chest thumping. Trump Biden rumour about usa politics being influenced by the Russians.
Conspiracy or just a strange string of loose connections with putin the culprit?